"Our Founding Fathers established America on Biblical principles"

It's scary how much some people are so willing to disregard history.

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Whatever the reason, now is not the time for comprise. Our nation is at a crossroads. The unyielding efforts of the secular Left have driven us towards a society that is steadily rejecting the laws of God. Babies are being aborted for convenience. Same-sex relationships are being sanctioned. Christian symbols are being systematically removed from public places. Private property is being confiscated by the government. And euthanasia is being used to kill the sick and the elderly. Our Founding Fathers established America on Biblical principles. They would be distraught to witness what has become of their country. President Bush has a unique opportunity to change the direction of the Supreme Court for the next 20 to 30 years. Please encourage the president to stand strong and protect the future of our families and our nation. Ask the president to withdraw his nomination of Harriet Miers and nominate a candidate that fulfills his promise to the American people.

And the man who inspired the revolution, Thomas Paine, was an atheist.

It's amazing how many people think that America was founded at Plymouth Rock by Christians. Jamestown was the first permanent settlement, and preceeded the Pilgrims by about 100 years, and it was settled for trade, not religion.

And the Constitution, our founding, was almost 200 years later.

A small point of correction, but your main point still holds. Some of our most influential founding fathers would have been the focus of scathing attacks by today's conservative Christians for their anti/un-Christian beliefs.

It is a fairly logical argument against the Bible. I understand it was, at one time, banned in the US.

Seriously, this is a manure pile of a premise. This nation was founded not on babblical principles, but with freedom of religion in mind that puts no religion above another.

I am awful sick of arrogant and over bearing Christians. It is awful hard to respect your Christian faith with so many of your religious brethren trying to put their brown booted feet on our necks.

Jesus didn't exist, get over it.

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It was used as a source for many of the features in the U.S. Constitution including how they engineered the system of the checks and balances of power of the three branches of government.

We survived as a nation despite the Doctrine of Discovery that Christians concocted to deny sovereignty to non-Christian peoples to make it far easier to rub them out and steal their land.

http://ili.nativeweb.org/sdrm_art.html (Link to Doctrine of Discovery explination)

Christians gave us Manifest Destiny that was used to create the illusion Caucasians are the stewards of other races of human beings.

It's true Christianity has blighted human existence in a myriad of ways, so spare me the load of dung that this country was founded on Christian Principles.

Especially as that is always a foundational element Christians try to slip in on us to further their dreams of an American Theocracy, where Wiccans like me and people of other religions are second class citizens.

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion." George Washington

"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion.
I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of
Christian dogma." Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865).

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the
world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity)
one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and
mythology." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826).

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the
Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my
own church." Thomas Paine.

How is that against Biblical principles? Aren't Christians supposed to render unto Caesar? Didn't Jesus befriend and defend tax-collectors?

Thomas Jefferson was a Deist who thought large portions of the Bible was written by madmen. He also thought the Bible was filled with so much crap that he cut out everything except what Jesus said to fashion his own Bible.

Washington almost never went to church and the few appearances he did make his preacher commented on how Washington wasn't paying attention.

Madison is quoted as saying that government and religion are purer the farther they are apart.

Thomas Paine the inspiration for the revolution wrote a book called "The Age of Reason" to repudiate the Bible and the divinity of Jesus.

Ben Franklin was a member of the HellFire Club, a club in France that rejected Christianity and took part in Hedonism.

They should also take a look at Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli where it states: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

BTW, wasn't Christ's divinity 'established' at the Council of Nicene?

The Constitution contends that the framers intended the Constitution to be godless because they believed church-state separation was the best guarantee of liberty. Their critics bitterly denounced them for taking that position. Thomas Jefferson, the source of the concept of a "wall of separation" between church and state, was routinely labeled an "infidel" and "atheist" by his adversaries. What roiled the Constitution's detractors the most was its Article VI, which reads, in part, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Opponents worked relentlessly to reword the "no religious tests" clause, or drop it altogether, first at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 and a year later at the states' ratifying conventions. In theory, they lost that battle: no religious tests are required of political leaders today. But in practice it seems that it is the religious right who has undermined Article VI of the Constitution, and therefore are the ones guilty of undermining the founding principles set by our founding fathers.

U.S. Constitution Article VI:

(Clause 3) - The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

In the Federalist #10:

Where Madison talks about the danger of factions to the safety of the union, you can read in the last couple paragraphs: "A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction in a part of the Confederacy; but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source."



So to any American taliban that may be lurking: You ain't fooling no one here. If you want a theocracy, might I suggest you try somewhere in the middle east.





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the majority of the people are Christians so it is OK to have a Christian government.

was that you cannot have the government cram religion down your throat!

They have obviously never read anything written by the Founding Fathers, or any biographies of them. They were deists to a man, with some genuine skeptics like Benjamin Franklin seasoning the pot. They believed in the power of reason and debate, not in the primacy of fairy tales.