I swear there are more moles on this board

than there are in my yard! And my yard's full of 'em!

**edit: tyop**

and it's pathetic to watch. They rant and bluster and claim that people who appreciate what happened today are the moles! It's hilarious actually.

and use that alert button. We'll take care of them. :hi:

I'm talking about all the gloom and doomers trying to tell us that we're screwed, it's over, give up, go home. Wahhhhh!

Sorry, burns my butt.

I kinda feel sorry for them though, having nothing better to do than try to ruin our fun. :D

Oh, please, please with sugar on top! Poor lil critters are kinda cute in a way. They don't even know how dumb they are....

All this doomsday stuff. Libby's not enough! What about Rove! Right out of Limpball's playbook. This is a good day--despite the naysayers and trolls.

people like David Gergen saying that there has been major damage done by Libby's indictment, I'm appreciative of how big this alone is. And I truly don't think KKKarl is out of hot water yet -- we just need to be patient. (A little tidbit here, a little tidbit there; we don't need it to all happen at once.)

some for the WH, some against. But however you spin this, the VP's chief of staff has been indicted. That is never good....pundits are not usually correct about gut issues; they're too inside the beltway. It may take time, but these criminals are going down! As I said, it's been a good day.

I tried not to get amped up over the last two weeks..believe me it was hard. Especially here on DU...where so many were making over the top predictions. Sorry, I guess I'm still bummed it didn't work out that way. I think alot of people are, and feel like all is lost. Some of those people also got pretty upset after the last election. I just don' think its fair to label them all as moles...some are genuinely feeling like all is lost.

Or feels this is pointless without Rove is a Troll, a Mole, a Freeper spouting Rush.

What BS.

what is not fact in evidence...and demonstratively conclude what can only be deemed a pessimistic result...have an agenda....no?

Demanding that everyone come to the same happy positive conclusion and refusing to accept that the facts that we are working with can also be read less optimistically is just censoring dissent. Especially when those who have a different viewpoint are accused of being "moles" and "trolls" with an "agenda".

No one here can say that they know what will happen so this insistance that the best possible outcome is the only one acceptable is nothing but koolaid. I don't drink that shit.

are the facts...and can be interpreted as only that. The parroting of bullshit for an intended result is not a 'differing viewpoint', it's an aberration.
Half-full, half-empty is your prerogative...

so I don't know what the original poster is referring too. I have been busy throughout the day and am just catching up with all the the details now (around 7:40 pm Eastern)and all I can say is that when I first heard it at work (I don't talk politics at work so I have to wait until I get home to catch up on all the details - I can't stop and watch CNN all day either)my first reaction without getting anymore details was disappointment that Rove wasn't indicted as well.

March in lockstep or be vilified is the message of the day. :puke: Bunch of brown-shirted freaks, IMO.

you see one. The Chief of Staff of the Vice President of the US was indicted. That's not good enough? What BS.

Your binary way of thinking is a bore. Because one sees trolls on this board who are encouraging pessimistic thought it does not follow that everyone who is thinking pessimistically is a troll. Apparantly you have never had Logic 101. Taking things a little personally, huh?

As for stifling dissent, who is stifling? As I read across these posts, there are quite a few dissenting opinions. Including the trolls and moles.

I want names..........hahahah

Sorry. ;-)

because DU is filled with the most brilliant minds I have ever seen. I say God bless their pitiful souls because they have lost their way from the savior. They have been taken in by Satan a.k.a. Bush. They will not be welcomed into the kingdom of heaven since they worship false prophets. LOL! Just ignore them. Never respond to them when they post. Just act like you did not see the post at all and they go away. Alert the moderators and let them handle it.

thread.

whadda hoot

And I don't even use smilies.

because instead of the mods having to watch out for and control a bunch of threads where people are saying "there's a troll/moll/freep/etc. in another thread" and then everyone asking and etc. etc. etc.; someone can just post the smilie and be done with. Less angry actual WORDS means probably a quicker end to whatever the (usually trivial to begin with) problem is. I'm not being very clear here, but do you get what I mean? We need a mole smilie and a troll smilie. Or maybe I am blond and stupid. Let's toss it around later.

Wouldn't that be tantamount to "calling somebody out" which is against the rules?

it could be used this way too. It seems people are going to do that in a roundabout way anyway,but I certainly don't want to encourage it. What I mean is, for example, let's say there is an exremly troll-sh post/reply to something. Mostly people here 1) try to engage them in some very intense discussion on said topic (Very good and educational or at least fun) or 2)reply with some kind of thing like a ticking clock or "you won't last long" or some such thinly disguised way of identifiying who they think is a troll/mole. That is their opinion, but if you just post the smilie, it can be taken as just a jab instead of an actual call-out Example : :dunce: :nopity:
I am certainly ready to admit this could be a completely BS idea; just thinking it might help lighten the mood. We wouldn't really know until we tried it, and that could be bad. Just not sure.

I think it's different than using the violin or the dunce icon... a "mole" or "troll" dropping icon would be explicitly saying you think somebody is a mole or a troll. I think that's against the rules, and I also think it's a bad idea.

As I noted above, it sometimes hard to tell the "trolls" and "moles" from those who are basically on "our side" but are expressing different opinions. My post was meant to be a comment that when you see a LOT of negative posts about a development most people on "our side" see as positive, that seems to be to be moles (multiple) running a psy-ops on us. Uh, IMHO, of course.

It was people that I never would have guessed in a million years. People that have huge post counts, that you never would've ever suspected. A couple of them just blew my mind, they were people that I read, and respected when I was just a lurker. I know this is the net, and you should not trust anyone, but it really made sad.

Rather like loving your parents madly as a kid and then finding out how they really AREN'T immortal superheroes.

Not everybody who expresses disappointment is necessarily a mole. Those people you respect may simply have had the misfortune of *appearing* to be part of a psy-ops campaign, by posting about their disappointment at the same time as the "moles." Don't let one post change your opinion. However, it might be worth keeping an eye out for similar occurrences. There's some old saying I never get quite right... something about once is an occurrence, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a conspiracy. Or something like that.

there are a HUGH bunch of parrots in here! Polly want a cracker?

heh

But they don't go outside...

Oh, well. They can still catch any moles I see in my house!

we can smoke you out...

:evilgrin:

But maybe I'm a mole or something

You do not appear to be sufficiently "happy" or satisfied with today's events.

Expect to be Tombstoned.

There were a few people that were putting out inaccurate information on purpose. They were called on it, and people told them they had it wrong, but they refused to change it. It was a disinformation campaign, and it was obvious.

and learning the truth. They will try to use our posts to help them manufacture more spin --- but ultimately to no avail.

good kitty, good kitty.

as I'm 1. not a USian and 2. Do not know all the ins and outs of U.S. politics.

But... I did notice today a certain amount of "bizarro" world topics. It was as if DU had become Free Dominion (the Canadian version of FR). It was quite odd, needless to say.
edited to add: I'm not sure if this is kosher, but this particular thread drew my attention:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5211505
I may be wrong, but it seemed rather trollish. I honestly don't know.

I was willing to believe that most Fitzmas Grinches were just being pessimistic (and maybe a large portion are)...but I just read three posts by lonnnnnnnnnnnng-time members that blew my freaking socks off. Wow. It appears that today's events have really terrified the deep, deep cover set. Which, if you think about it, is a damn good sign.

I feel like having a game of Whack-A-Mole, myself. :evilgrin:

As the Christmas song goes: I am making a list and checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty and nice, lol.

:D What I find most gratifying is the checking it twice...I'm often able to mark off those who've gone out for pizza and never come back.

Snerk. I've kinda been wondering what the hell is UP with the Fitz-bashers from among the long-time DU members this week. Some of them have not seemed like their usual selves. Your explanation cleared a lot of things up for me.

That and counter productive pessimists.

this is full of sh*t. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but for anyone to imply that because someone sees things differently than you do makes them either a troll or stupid is amazingly arrogant.

You have your voice, and they have theirs. You have the right to use your voice, and so do they. This is the difference between us and the right.

It's true that some of the people that you describe are probably trolls, but many are not.

Flame away -- I don't care.

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how many have posted on this thread? I, for one, don't particularly want to participate in the Shadenfreude, or whatever its called. The more I find out about the administration the angrier I become, and I use DU to express that anger.

I admit I wasn't clear in my response to sparosnare (My defense, I was trying to cook dinner and keep up with the board too.)

When I said "all the doom and gloomers" I didn't mean each and every person who isn't happy with todays indictment. I meant the NUMBER of " gloom and doomers trying to tell us that we're screwed, it's over, give up, go home"

The sheer number of negative threads is a classic tactic... it overwhelms the board so that the initial impression any body coming in gets is that this has been a terrible day for us. It's psychological warfare, meant to blunt our energy.

If you are an individual left-leaning (or even just "anti-bushcabal" person who is disappointed enough in today's limited indictment that you felt the need to start a thread - well, I think you're wrong to be disappointed, but I respect any such *sincere* statement of your feelings. But when the front page of this forum is running (at the time I started this thread) 10-1 with gloom and doom about today, I say that's evidence that "somebody" is trying to run a psy-op on us.

I may be wrong, but that's what I believe.

Or, you know, keep reading, try to think...I know, it's hard for you...but try...you might get there some day...and then FIGURE IT OUT. Being "Republican" is suicide.

noticed a few of them in the Louisiana forum, trying GOP talking points of blaming everyone except FEMA for Katrina screw-up.

Most moles have low post count, and no donation star, but I believe that a few of them are deep-cover, have contributed $$, but always try to cut down Dem arguments and cast doom and gloom.

Is this their life? They must think they are doing something high and mighty for the Wingers, kinda like being in the CIA, I guess. Sad and pathetic.

There is nothing new under the sun, all tried and true methods for messing up adversaries are pursued from generation to generation making adaptations for changes in technology. Sometimes the dirty work is done by armatures, sometimes by pros. But one of the main tactics used is to get everyone so paranoid about freeps trolls and moles that we distract and bloody ourselves with our own infighting over it.

I find it easier to argue the merit of a position and hold back for a long time before passing a judgment. Sincere people say self defeating and/or divisive things sometimes. I prefer to call them on the content until the pattern is so blatant that it is ridiculous.

and maybe I shouldn't have said anything. But at the time I wrote this (in the CIA Leak forum - it got moved), the sheer number of negative postings was remarkable

It's a fine line. We have to maintain healthy caution without becoming obsessive. Or, consistent with that classic folk truism, keep grains of salt handy.

:)