CSPAN - Kerry Speech on Iraq repeat - NOW

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No, its just starting. The REAL President needs a nice introduction. :)

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I know, way too late Kerry.

But we need all the dems to at least say that. We need to have them all on the same page... Iraq is a disaster. The Coward and his administration lied their way into this war. etc. etc.

We have to get the congress back on 2006 and the first step is to get all the congressional dems on the same page, opposing the administration at every turn, calling them out for their lies at every opportunity.

Kerry rejected immediate withdrawal giving some stupid reason about "endangering our security" without providing any facts to support his statement. Instead, Kerry proposes his version of Vietnamization.

When Kerry spoke of troop withdrawal tied in to benchmarks, I am reminded of the failed Quartet peace plan for the Middle East that has been stuck on first gear since it was first proposed.

No Kerry, the only way out of Iraq is by getting out of Iraq immediately and unconditionally.

It is also time to begin a debate about withdrawing from the Middle East and ending the American empire.

BTW, can Kerry ever talk to people like a normal person instead of sounding as if he was still giving a speech in the Senate chambers.

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Kerry is now talking about keeping a permanent garrison in Iraq, on the pretext of training Iraqis. Is that what you Kerry supporters want us to buy, permanent bases in Iraq?

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Kerry supports keeping special forces in Iraq, I assume they will be doing the type of work they are doing now which is like the Phoenix Program that was used to murder and torture in Vietnam.

permanent basis in Iraq.

Dont interpret what he is saying here in order to fit your propaganda against Kerry.

I don't know how else to spin his statement about keeping a permanent garrison in Iraq to train the Iraqi military.

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Kerry sounds like one of those English aristocrats that defended the Empire as colonialism approach its end.

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Kerry: "Their cause is noble" (Referring to the troops in Iraq)

Since when has a war of aggression and brutal occupation become "noble"?

solution. He spoke of this in the campaign but he has put more emaphasis on the need for regional security.

Unless we turn off the imperialist wars, we will never become a responsible member of the family of nations.

Regional security is for the countries in the region. The last time I looked at an Atlas, the US was on the other side of the planet.

Kerry supports a lite version of Bush's disastrous foreign policy in the Middle East, in that respect, Kerry's positions are identical to those of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

And definitely more detailed and engaging then what a lot of Democrats have been doing. Kerry laid out his vision for Iraq, and what he thought we should do to succeed. What more do you want from him? A timetable would be the wrong option. He didn't call against withdrawl of our troops. But he called for a responsible withdrawl of our troops. Keyword: RESPONSIBLE. Everything he said was logical, accurate, and to the point. Whether you agree with him or not, he at least went out there and voiced his opinion on the situation.

...to Senator Kerry. He could have just stopped working on these issues. At such a critical time for our country, that would have been a great loss. He cares...he has visited Iraq TWICE in the last 10 months...and he knows what he is talking about. He continues to provide us with a plan going forward. I, for one, am so grateful for his leadership at this time. THANK YOU, SENATOR KERRY !:patriot:

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What are other Dems offering that's different from Kerry? Just curious.

This is how you differentiate a Kerry hater or a whiner from a war opponent.

The war opponent has read the speech, has something to comment and propose that is pertinent to the speech (it was not perfect and should be criticized and improved, and hopefully, various senators will get together and do so, as Feingold proposed Friday on the Senate floor), rather than attack the person.

There are a few people who have opposed this speech and were able to do so in cogent terms. Unfortunately, it is easier to bash the person who made the speech in totally general terms.

For a model of the first type, go on Huffington Post and read Hayden's criticism: it is an excellent read.

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I am a Kerry-you-are-a-descredited disingenuous (I was duped-BS) politician disliker. This is a guy with nothing new to add to what others have offered such as Kucinich that are more forthright and free of as much hedging and positioning. He wasn't duped, forget that tack. But he should admit he was wrong about his long unwavering (ironic that's what he has not been credited with being unwavering about) desire to "take measures" (translation: attack them) against Iraq.

OK you want my withdrawl plan: its head for the border ASAP, we've killed enough people and caused enough chaos and destroyed as much of Iraqs cultural wealth as is literally possible, then prepare to pay reparations to any or all governments that ultimately come to pass there.

But here's a better more honest, less hedging, less half-hearted , but still realpolitik plan here:

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/bringourtroopshome.php

And no, I didn't vote for Kucinich, I voted for Kerry out of stupid inattention and fear, but his personal oddities, and inexplicable reactions and other strange and calculated responses to many things has made me as many here, wary of anything he says.

so he is not your guy. But please do not point anyone out that supports other than your guy as low as Bushbots, for you swoon as much for your guy. Very counter-productive and childish.

as many pro-Kerry people show. We have had much skepticism about Kerry here, always met with calling that "eating our own", whereas lately that has moved into calling critics or other senators who voted against the IWR resolution as "against war on principle", but one example of the type of cheap smear that shows to what lengths Kerry apologists will go to to deflect the conversation from the criticisms of Kerry's questionable actions and manifest shortcomings. To me that's Bushbot-like and I see it only from Kerry people. Only.

Sorry but we base our answers on facts and truth, so different than Bushbots.

The only one smearing is you, and I have a right to point that out. Don't like it, quit doing it.

By the way I have never ever been pro-war and neither has Kerry. I have never ever said anything about anyone voting against the resolution and neither has Kerry.

I'm not an apologist I'm a Democrat.

Comparing me and my fellow Kerry supporters to Bushbots is disgraceful. I don't care how much you don't like Kerry, he's still a major player for President in 2008 and a key figurehead in helping us succeed in 2006. He nor us as his supporters deserve such comments. AT ALL!