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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:25 PM
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Is it a state of crisis yet?
http://www.SmirkingChimp.com/print.php?sid=23405

Ron Jacobs: 'Is it a state of crisis yet?'
Date: Monday, October 31 @ 09:32:17 EST
Topic: War & Terrorism

Ron Jacobs, Alternative Press Review

It's time for the antiwar movement to take the US threats against Iran and Syria very, very seriously. Not only are stories of such threats appearing at an increasing rate in antiwar journals and websites, they now seem to be a topic of concern on Capitol Hill and at the United Nations. Condi Rice, the war hound that she is, made it quite clear that the White House considers it to be its prerogative (and only its prerogative) to militarily attack these countries if it so desires.

We're not talking covert actions or even armed clashes like those between US and Syrian military that were recently reported in the Washington Post (Oct. 14, 2005). No, we are talking about an invasion of one or both of these countries by air and (probably) land forces. These attacks will be undertaken with the goal of regime change in mind.

The reasons for the invasions (or incursions if you prefer) will be twofold. One excuse will be that both of these countries' governments are aiding some element of the insurgency in Iraq, either intentionally or by default because they won't close their borders. The secondary reason will be to (we've heard this one before) prevent the development and spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

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So what can the antiwar movement do about this? The most obvious answer is this: It should do everything possible to prevent these attacks from ever occurring. Even if it seems pointless, write your congresspeople and senators (who knows what might happen if enough voters write threatening them with unemployment unless they oppose the wars); inform the public about the growing possibility of these invasions happening; step up opposition to military recruiting and oppose a new military draft no matter what it's called. In short, make these potential expansions of the war in the Middle East and Central Asia part of the antiwar movement program.

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Ron Jacobs is author of The Way the Wind Blew: a history of the Weather Underground, which is just republished by Verso.

Source: Alternative Press Review
http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:28 PM
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1. No, not yet. nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:29 PM
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2. Maybe we should decide when it is time, though. I mean what
actions have to be taken by the government that would signal to us that we can no longer accept their governance and prepare to start over from scratch?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:33 PM
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3. I'm already there, I just don't have any power.
When they destroy equal protection under the law with this Justice nominee as well as stay steady on taking the US down the road of an international beligerent, there is no tomorrow, the fight IS NOW or never.
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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:34 PM
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4. Yes
Syria accuses US of launching lethal raids over its borders
By Harry de Quetteville in Baghouz
(Filed: 29/10/2005)

Syria has accused the United States of launching lethal military raids into its territory from Iraq, escalating the diplomatic crisis between the two countries as the Bush administration seeks to step up pressure on President Bashar Assad's regime.

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The charge follows leaks in Washington that the US has already engaged in military raids into Syria and is contemplating launching special forces operations on Syrian soil to eliminate insurgent networks before they reach Iraq.

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But he warned that the increased blurring of battle lines between Iraq and Syria could turn a diplomatic stand-off between the two nations, playing out at the UN, into a fully fledged military confrontation. "It could escalate. With Syrian border guards getting shot, it could turn into a major issue."

In the Euphrates valley, however, the alleged cross-border fire fights are already a major issue. The Syrian military said that in May, in the divided village of Baghouz, which straddles the Syria-Iraq border about 350 miles north east of Damascus, Abdullah al-Hassake was manning a rundown concrete frontier outpost when he and fellow soldiers heard US helicopters.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

Edward Walker, a former US ambassador to Egypt and Israel, who is now head of the Middle East Institute think tank, told the paper: "No one in the administration has any problem with acting tough on Syria; it is the one thing they all agree on.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/...

Has been for more than a few years.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:43 PM
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5. I thought we bombed for 10 months before invasion
Of course the media has failed to inform the people that we bombed Iraq illegally for 10 months before yet another war crime with invasion. Are we bombing Iraq or Syria yet? How would we know? They didn't tell us we had a massive bombing campaign last time. Why would the media do it now?

Yes, I realize it would be hard to keep it secret this time.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 11:44 PM
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6. A valid cause for concern? Or is Iran goading us to our own destruction?
This time I think there's valid cause for us to be on our feet and consider our choices to their words very carefully.

Now I do feel that the US is pushing for war, but Iran mouthing off does NOTHING to help anybody. Iran essentially told the world "Bring it on" by saying their desire to blow Israel off the map. Are they serious and have the means to do so? Or are they merely playing * as a big chump, knowing he's going to respond because he seems to get off on it?!

Has anybody thought about that angle? Is Iran mouthing off just to tempt the paranoid, insecure bully into responding in an attempt to annihilate the US economy totally? (which in turn will make China and the other debt holders less than happy...)

And we all know that expanding this war will destroy our economy. Look how Iraq has strained it to the very edge!

And the world knows we sure as hell won't use nukes. The neighbors of the countries we are bombing will likely not be tolerant of us using them and respond using their own nukes. And * has to protect his big wealthy constiutants. * isn't stupid.

So, yeah, they needn't have an atom's size of nuclear material. All they need is to say some key words to get us to kill ourselves in a panic attack. And money is America's Achilles heel. And they know how reagan's and poppy's debt combined with *'s wanton warring has just about shattered our economy. (at least Clinton balanced the budget! He's innocent by comparison and you could tell he gave a genuine damn about peace; something that reagan, poppy, and * all detested.)

This is the ultimate "no-win" scenario.

Enjoy life while you can.
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