Why is Georgie trying to scare me with Avian Flu??

I mean - it's a fricking bird disease. I'm still waiting for the damn killer bees to come kill me.

And now Georgie wants to spend 6.5billion dollars along with telling me that I'm gonna die of Avian Bird if we don't hand over the money

Stop it Georgie - you're just crying wolf!

*drafting memo*

Thanks for the inspiration!

Kindest regards,

Karl Rove

:sarcasm:

to keep the sheeple scared.

with the right lighting, music, and camera angle, chickens can, in fact, be very, very menacing.

Scooter Libby got indicted. What the hell do you expect him to talk about?

horrible death if he doesn't protect us. Terrorists, Anthrax, Bird Flu I wonder what the next scourge will be.

"protecting" us. Ever since this Darwinian mutant was appointed president the entire world has gone to hell in a hand-basket. The chimp is a Jonah, an albatross around our country's neck. Death and destruction follow him wherever he goes. He IS the anti-christ, I'm convinced of it!

. . . is already well established. One of the key symptoms of it is that the person who has it not only doesn't know that they have it, but thinks others around them are the sick ones. Worse than avian flu, works than CJD, worse than terrorists, worse than anthrax. It's insidious, fatal not only for those who receive it but for those who are exposed to it. The symptoms are horrid as it makes people horribly ugly and absurdly stupid, but yet they don't realize that they are so. It's called RFBROT: republican/fundamentalist brain rot.

. . . and they are cheap too. Made out of tar and feathers.

Lots of profit to be made doing it and it makes the NRA happy.

...that Bush will use in order to prevent kids from having sex.

Just from direct contact with an infected bird.


Is that correct?



That said, it doesn't take much (a bit of DNA mutation here or there) et voila! Pandemic. Look at the article on the DU homepage for some reality of the threat.

...his "strategery". So far none of his teams have been able to complete their missions successfully (FEMA, the Military), why should I raise my hopes his Health Dept can do a heckuva job too :silly:

and then mutate and move to mammals (often pigs) in places where large numbers are in close contact such as rural China and other parts of SE Asia.

They then mutate/jump to humans from those animals.

However, it's not impossible for a strain to jump more directly to humans.

I take it you think that the Pandemic of 1918 is a myth. Are you a Pandemic Deniar ?

and the thread got shifted into the basement of 9/11. check out the comments as well.
Go Here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2208958


Is Avian Flu another Pentagon Hoax?

F. William Engdahl

October 30, 2005
 
No sooner are indictments being handed down to Scooter Libby, the Chief of Staff of the Vice President of the United States for lies and coverup of information used deliberately to suppress the fact the Bush Administration had no ‘smoking gun’ to prove Saddam Hussein was building a nuclear arsenal, but a new scandal is surfacing every bit as outrageous and ultimately, likely also criminal.

Against all scientific prudence and normal public health procedure, the world population is being whipped up into a fear frenzy by irresponsible public health officials from the US Administration to WHO to the United States Centers for Disease Control. They all warn about the imminent danger that a malicious viral strain might spread from infected birds, primarily in Vietnam and other Asian centers, to contaminate the entire human species in pandemic proportions. Often the flu pandemic of 1918 which is said to have killed 18 million worldwide, is cited as an example of what ‘might’ lie in store for us.

The only medicine we are told which reduce the symptoms of general or seasonal influenza and ‘possibly’ might reduce symptoms also of Avian Flu, is a drug called Tamiflu. Today the giant Swiss pharmaceutical firm, Roche, holds the sole license to manufacture Tamiflu. Due to the media panic, the order books at Roche today are filled to overflowing. Roche recently refused a request from the US Congress to lift its exclusive patent rights to allow other drug manug´facturers to produce Tamiflu with the improbable excuse that it was in effect, too complex for others to rapidly produce.

<snip>

Tamiflu was developed and patented in 1996 by a California biotech firm, Gilead Sciences Inc. Gilead is a NASDAQ (GILD) listed stock company which prefers to maintain a low profile in the current rush to Tamiflu. That might be because of who is tied to Gilead. In 1997, before he became US Secretary of Defense, Donald H. Rumsfeld was named Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, where he remained until early 2001 when he became Defense Secretary. Rumsfeld had been on the board of Gilead since 1988 according to a January 3 1997 company press release. An as-yet-unconfirmed report is that Rumsfeld while Secretary of Defense also purchased an additional stock in his former company, Gilead Sciences Inc., worth $18 million, making him one of its largest if not the largest stock owners today.


http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/GMO/gmo.html

It's the Rummie Tamiflu connecton

60 people died in Asia of the flu - itsa drop in the bucket considering the gazillions of people there. I run a bigger risk of dying in a car accident than dying of flu.

hire Minute Men to prevent Canuck birds from flying over the US??? :rofl: :rofl:

So the only motive here is to make everyone afraid of the Birds
Where is Alfred Hitchcock?

Thus squawked the insane chimp. Terra terra terra.

Meanwhile you can't get a real human flu shot right now and the supply of tamiflu is out 'cause the idiot chimp has started another panic.

The disease, which attacks women wearing blue dresses, levee systems, and terra targets, must be stopped in its tracks. The cure is to round up all non-fascists and send them to "isolation camps" in Death Valley.

to show what avian threat level color we are at????

exert control---FEAR!

Most of Europe and Canada is prepared for this. Or as prepared as they can be with supplies of Tamiflu.

Also take into account that since Bush stepped into office, our health programs have taken a serious slide backwards. If something does happen, we're going to be in the same boat as a third world country if we don't at least meet this potential Katrina in the same way that other countries do. Just from a national security stand point, if we're the only supernation weakened by a pandemic, what does that do to our ability to protect our country from aggressors?

Unfortunately, as is the case with hurricane years that don't give us major hurricanes, it's easy to get lulled into believing we're wasting money on nothing preparing for one.

I'm with you. He may be hyping this for his own (and Donald Rumsfeld's stock) purposes, but that doesn't mean the threat isn't there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2209894&mesg_id=2210172

The question is, what is the government doing about finding affordable means of getting enough Tamiflu, or setting up research facilities that will work to find a vaccine once the virus manifests itself?

I've known about Avian Flu for some time. For several years, it's been a serious concern--worldwide. But I'm disgusted that we need to listen to a "Plan" explained by an idiot who doesn't even skim the First Page for headlines on his way to the Sports Section.

Bush is ready to Send In the Troops--to enforce quarantine. But he will say nothing about building a better health care system. Too many people are without proper care as it is; how would we deal with an emergency situation? And, perhaps, we should not have to depend on his buddies in Big Pharm for all scientific research & production of vaccines. The plan will apparently cost a great deal--will he cut back in Iraq or reduce Tax Cuts? Hardly.

Your post is excellent. You're right. We shouldn't dismiss the threat the way we're doing it in this thread, but instead we should be angry about how the government is responding to it.

If it's as Bush usually operates, he's going to talk the talk, then release that money to his cronies without building infra-structure to properly prepare for this.

response.

We can't poo-poo the threat just b/c Bush is saying it is a threat. If anything, we should rally our senators and be super-critical about Bush's response. And use this as rallying point for universal health care. I mean, imagine, poor (minority) neighborhoods quarentined in this country without adequate healthcare. That would be a nightmare- worse than Katrina!!

Now we're talking. THAT'S what DU is all about.

We are BARBARIC that we do not have universal healthcare!

seems like a better way to spend the money

threat. He ignored the Katrina threat and got caught with his pants down. If the bird flu is all about nothing, well we have Tamiflu on hand that is still useful for other kinds of flu. But if it does, we are ready for it.

On edit: I think the price gouging issue needs to be addressed. This can be resolved by getting more Pharmas to produce the stuff.

Maybe the pandemic is terra, but the reality is anything that can hurt us is going to hurt us worse because the moron is in office. The reality is little things will become big and big things bigger because of the inefficiency of the administration.

though.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2209894&mesg_id=2210172

frightening. This is coming from Europe- where countries are already prepared. They might be trying to capitalize on it by making us fear military quarentines and such, but the reality of the threat is something Bush hasn't taken serious enough, and it is a real threat.

check this out from page 1 of DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/crisis/05/035_ep.html

That's why they're all dying...

I'm sick of their crying "Wolf" game.

Most Americans for whatever reasons are.

But if there is something, save us the cruelty of this game. Just be compassionate and kill the lot of us already. No more terrorism from their mouths. Sic the wolf on us or STFU, you elected officials. We don't care anymore. And rightly so.

a giant vacano under Yellowstone park that could go any minute now...or maybe not for eons....but it's there! Wonder how long before THAT is his new cry.

As of today, Nov 1, it is the lead editoral on the DU home page in "The Crisis Papers".

And you may want to educate yourself on the science involved.

The threat is genuine.

and the sharks - I know I'm going to die of a shark attack.

If we had universal health care this would not be a threat. If people are able to have access to healthcare needed to keep healthy they would be able to combat this 'threat'

It's a scare tactic to distract the media

You are displaying an obvious lack of knowledge of the science involved.

BS in Biology, 1988 Lebanon Valley College. Spent 4 years in environmental research until the first Bush recession killed us.


I'm not saying the threat isn't out there - I'm just saying that Bush has a way of creating monsters out of mole hills. I'm not ready to commit 6.5billion dollars for a fantasy. But I also know that I have only ever gotten 1 flu shot in my lifetime and only once have I ever come down with the flu. If people are overall healthy and have access to healthcare then they can better combat this problem IF IT IS REAL.

We come out with these maladies ever so many years to frighten people. But when we had the hard, cold, facts that AIDS was going to be an epidemic our government ignored it.

And btw, who gets this 6.5billion dollars - well gee, probably mainly pharmaceutical companies. What a great way to payback the folks that helped get Bush re-elected

In fact, I haven't even read it.

In your OP, you attempted to deny that the threat even existed. That attitude is what I take exception to. The threat is real.

If you would care to read up on the 1918 flu, you will find that those with the healthiest immune systems were the most at risk. The flu provoked an over reaction of the immune system that destroyed the lungs.

So universal health care wouldn't help either. China has universal health care and it hasn't helped them.

plans. Each year they go a little farther.

look over there, there's something to see over there. If anyone buys the shit this moran* is selling they need to be slapped upside the head and sent to their room without supper.

Regardless of who is in the Oval Office. There really isn't a damn thing we can do about it either.

the dreaded Avian Flu.

24,000 die from hunger related causes every day.
No health care just warfare in the good ol' USA.

But watch it! Here comes the bird flu. SHHHHHEEEEEZZZZZZ

Forget the shots and vaccines.

Eat well to keep your immune system strong. Get plenty of rest. Wash your hands regularly.

from all the scandals in his Admin, and his failing popularity numbers. ONLY crises have "saved" him in the past, so he's "trying"...he's "trying." Give him credit for tring at least, poor guy.

...the boy who cried wolf comes to mind....

geese and swans at my local park.

And we all better hope it's later instead of now, because his "plan" is a joke. It will cover maybe 2% of the US population.