Reid must act QUICKLY to preempt the nuke option

wtmusic

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:24 PM
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Reid must act QUICKLY to preempt the nuke option

"The so-called "nuclear option" is off the table. This is a significant victory for our country, for democracy, and for all Americans. Checks and balances in our government have been preserved."

(May 23, 2005)

This needs to be reiterated. Now.

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bowens43

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:26 PM
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1. It's only off the table as long

the republican half of the gang of 14 says it's off the table. So far 2 of the 7 have said that the nuclear option is NOT off the table and that it will be used if their is a filibuster of Alito.

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wtmusic

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:27 PM
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2. Then they're going back on their agreement

and that should be pointed out, in no uncertain terms.

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bowens43

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:34 PM
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4. It depends on your point of view.

If they don't consider this an ' extraordinary circumstance' then in their view, the Dems are going back on the agreement. They will NOT consider this to be an 'extraordinary circumstance'. Alito is technically qualified for the position. They will not consider ideology to be a valid reason to declare this an 'extraordinary circumstance'.

I think the Dems will filibuster , the repugs will go nuclear and both sides will declare loudly and vehemently that the other side broke the agreement. It's going to be a mess.

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wtmusic

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:37 PM
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5. Agree on the outcome

But from a tactical standpoint, Reid should draw the line in the sand now.

It's not like we have no ammunition against Alito. 70% of American women consider themselves pro-choice. If that doesn't make the SC nomination of an anti-abortionist "extraordinary", what does?

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bowens43

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:56 PM
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9. I agree. I'm in favor of a filibuster.

My point is that the republicans will NOT consider ideology to be an extraordinary circumstance , we will consider this an extraordinary circumstance. Both sides will believe themselves to be right.

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Benhurst

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:42 PM
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6. It's going to be a mess, as befits the

BushAmerican Banana Republic.

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Walt Starr

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:44 PM
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7. Three have said it's on

Warner, DeWine, and Graham all say it's on.

to stop it we need Chaffee, Snowe, Collins, and McCain.

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bowens43

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:57 PM
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10. It's going to be difficult.

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Walt Starr

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Tue Nov-01-05 01:49 PM
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15. Then let 'em nuke it, I say!

Force them to be the bad guys and shut down Mr. Smith.

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Burning Water

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:29 PM
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3. You didn't really

believe that did you??

It was such a weaselly compromise on both sides, and meant nothing at the time, and nothing now. Basically it can be translated as "We, the Republicans won't invoke the nuclear option just so long as you, the Democrats don't filibuster". All that stuff about extraordinary circumstances was just bullshit. We'll say, "these are extraordinary circumstances", they'll say, "no they're not".

Still, we should do as you say. whatever it takes must be done.

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Flying Dream Blues

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Tue Nov-01-05 01:08 PM
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11. My thoughts exactly. The whole thing was crap from the beginning. nt

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0007

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Tue Nov-01-05 01:40 PM
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14. I think the Dem's got porked on this deal. The repukes are now

playing Catch 22.

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second edition

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Tue Nov-01-05 12:52 PM
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8. The filibuster was to ensure checks and balances in the

senate and government over simple majority rule. If we don't filibuster then their won't be any checks and balances on the Supreme Court. The court could remain that way for decades. We could actually benefit by filibustering now and letting them instill the nuclear option, filibustering may be a moot point for us after the 2006 elections. This option may come back to bit them in the ass.

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kurth

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Tue Nov-01-05 01:11 PM
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12. If it's for the Supreme Court, then it's extraordinary circumstances

ALL lower-court judges are bound by Supreme Court precedents, but as a Supreme Court justice, Alito would be free to vote to overrule any opinion with which he disagrees.

The "Gang of 14" agreement is truly useless, because each senator can define "extraordinary circumstances" in their own way. Heck, Bush didn't even bother to "consult" the Dems on Alito, as called for in the agreement. FILIBUSTER.

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wtmusic

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Tue Nov-01-05 01:35 PM
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13. I read it differently

Because each senator can define extraordinary circumstances in their own way, each senator is free to make the judgement without voiding the terms of the agreement.

What they're not free to do is consider a rules change. If that happens, from a legal standpoint, the Republicans have breached the contract. And this idea should be reinforced ad nauseum.

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