Freepers on Paris riots-- Radical Islam trying to take over Europe

Radical Islam blamed for French rioting
Muslims 'scorn' Europe's ways, 'conspire to take it over'

Posted: November 5, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

As rioting that began in a poor, mostly Muslim, neighborhood near Paris a week ago continues to spread to other suburbs and cities across France and parts of Europe, U.S. experts and at least one American lawmaker believe radical Islam is most likely responsible for the chaos.

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U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., in an interview with WND, said he believes the chickens are coming home to roost in France because, for years, the country with the largest Islamic population in Europe has ignored rising Muslim tensions within its own borders. The real issue the French "are now dealing with," he said, "is you cannot integrate some people into your society."

Daniel Pipes, an expert on Islam and the director of the Middle East Forum, a think tank promoting American ideals in that region, thinks the riots in France are a microcosm of the larger radical Islamic goal of gaining a solid foothold in Europe. "The great majority of Muslims in Europe see themselves as bearers of a superior civilization and see themselves growing prodigiously," he told WND. "Through a cultural, religious and demographic confidence they feel scorn towards European ways and conspire to take it over."


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Adds Pipes, "Kids burning cars and buildings aren't specifically doing that in an attempt to 'take control.' But I do think that, ultimately, is the significance of what they're doing. "This isn't comparable to the 1960s race riots in the U.S.," he said. "This does have, deep down, an Islamic agenda of control, even if the kids doing the rioting aren't cognizant of that" at the moment.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47236

And rather intolerant within its own borders of what it deems to be radical Islam. There is very much of a culture of dislike of immigrants among the French. Paris is not the tolerant melting pot of different cultures that other cosmopolitan metropolises are such as Toronto and New York.

Not to get in the way of Tancredo's "facts", but France actually has rather stringent immigration laws.

France may have been right on the war in Iraq, but their zenophobia is probably even worse than ours.

are moslem, but not particularly religious, so the Freeper argument is horseshit. They're pissed at their stagnated situation in France.
I would say deport them, but the trouble is, they're 2nd & 3rd generation French citizens, so this is impossible.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Daniel_Pipes


Daniel Pipes is a neo-conservative, orientalist, extreme right-wing Zionist, and often expresses islamophobic statements. He is director of the Middle East Forum, and a columnist for right-wing newspapers. His father is Richard Pipes.

In 2004 Pipes was temporarily appointed by George W. Bush to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace, but as of January 17, 2005, Bush had "failed to take any action to renominate…". The "nomination of Pipes, who has made a career out of identifying and denouncing what he sees as radical Muslim penetration of American institutions, was opposed by senators Edward Kennedy, Tom Harkin and Christopher Dodd, all Democrats.

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Dr. P's interpretation may be a bit over the top--looks like he was too radical for W, even.

Thanks for this link. I book-marked it and I know I'll be using it a lot.

I especially like to use it to check out think tank financing and staffing. Once you get into it, though, it's depressing, because the names overlap--as we knew they were likely to do.

>you cannot integrate some people into your society

The bigot alert gauge is pegging like mad.

How comforting to know that there are whackos like him trying their best to foment religious wars.

on the subject on Islam in Europe, apparently as a 'reliable source', and the odd DUer saying this could be the start of a "French intifada".

... xenophobic, ignorant, short-sighted and opportunist tripe.

I don't know if, as a mere European, I am more offended by the latent anti-Islamic rhetoric of the piece, or the simple crass ignorance of the povs being expressed.

Creating or pandering to paranoia neither adds positively to the resolution of the issue, nor does it do anything other than toss a few more barrels of benzine onto the already burning barricades.

<snip>The great majority of Muslims in Europe see themselves as bearers of a superior civilization and see themselves growing prodigiously<snip> Pot, meet kettle...

Geez-- are these riots a tri-fecta or what? A chance to hate on France, on the Islamic religion, and on immigration all by way of the same event. No wonder Freeper-types are eating this up.

Now if only we can find a way in which Bill Clinton is responsible...




SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2005
What we can learn from France

This week's news out of Paris is deliciously amusing. The ever-arrogant French are suffering a huge stomachache as the result of too many portions of undiluted socialism combined with endless servings of unskilled and barely literate North African immigrants. Oui, the cheap labor and the immigrant votes were very welcome, but now the bill has arrived.

Were the current riots and outright rebellion against law and order happening in any country but France, I could feel pity for the many innocent victims of the current lawlessness. France deserves only our scorn and derision. It has worked tirelessly to thwart the United States in the global war on terrorism and now this American is enjoying the spectacle of arrogant France on the verge of falling apart. I can only hope that our politicians will heed the hard lessons that France is about to learn. Secure our borders now and put the brakes on legal and illegal immigration.

Tillman L. Jeffrey

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"jigging" in Paris

The Paris Riots are the toast of Freeperville, since the story presents the perfect opportunity to hate on France, on Islam, and on immigration all by way of the same event.

But I neglected a fourth one-- hating on socialism.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20071

Paris Burning
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 4, 2005

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Why have the riots happened? From many accounts one would think that the riots have been caused by France’s failure to implement Marxism. “The unrest,” AP explained, has highlighted the division between France’s big cities and their poor suburbs, with frustration simmering in the housing projects in areas marked by high unemployment, crime and poverty.” Another AP story declared flatly that the riots were over “poor conditions in Paris-area housing projects.” Reuters agreed with AP’s attribution of all the unrest to economic injustice, and added in a suggestion of racism.

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One might get the impression from this that France is governed by top-hatted, cigar-smoking capitalists, building their fortunes on the backs of the poor, rather than by socialists and quasi-socialists who have actually strained the economy by spending huge amounts of money on health and welfare programs. Nor does the idea that the rioting has been caused by economic inequalities explain why Catholics and others who are poor in France have not joined the Muslims who are rioting. Of course, all the news agencies have either omitted or mentioned only in passing that the rioters are Muslims at all. The casual reader would not be able to escape the impression that what is happening in France is all about economics — and race.

The areas hardest hit by the riots, according to Reuters, are “home to North African and black African minorities that feel excluded from French society.” AP shed some light on this feeling of exclusion: “the violence also cast doubt on the success of France’s model of seeking to integrate its large immigrant community — its Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe’s largest — by playing down differences between ethnic groups. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities.”

So evidently France’s failure to live up to its policy of playing down the differences between ethnic groups has bred the simmering anger that has now boiled over in the riots. However, in fact France has done just the opposite of playing down the differences between ethnic groups.

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first of all empire, in taking over Algiers and other places that part of the world, and most of all marginalizing and ghettoizing the descendants of those native people who fought along side France's empire in those places.

We are/will be facing exactly the same situation here in L.A. if we don't turn shit around -- because the sons of the sons of immigrants (Mexican & Central American immigrants mostly) are going to be pissed off hugely to be 2nd class citizens. These people are working sometimes 6 jobs between a married couple and still not making enough to get out of the ghetto existence.

(analagous to the article on the Paris riots) the "experts" will have to blame hispanics for their refusal to integrate into American society, and will need to point out the hispanics' ideologically driven motives-- which is obviously to take over the US and force us to become Catholics!

Immigrants in America do a much better job of integrating into society, for the most part. That's cause America is basically a nation of immigrants and welcome them, at least historically.

The Turks in Germany and the immigrants in the U.K. and France are very isolated. And the Europeans don't like them at all. In those countries, it's almost next to impossible for people of color to get a job, at least a decent one. So I can understand their frustrations.

However, those Muslims are very radical. I've been to Europe many times and have friends over there and I'm shocked at how radical the Muslims are there, even the ones who are citizens! They really see nothing wrong with OBL, suicide bombings, etc. Europe has a lot of problems on its hands. They need to do something to rein in the radicalism, but at the same time, lift up the communities.

There are still plenty of problems, particularly in northern industrial cities. And they also have their share of violent extremists, as the London bombings showed. As a whole, however, England is generally much more welcoming of immigrants and has done a much better job integrating immigrants from former colonies than France, Germany, or even The Netherlands.

latest Bush Terrorist Update. Radical Islamists take over Europe.

HA! You think we would buy that crap?

which they claim to hate.

I looked at the original freeptard spin-off site, libertypost.org, and they must've had ten articles about France.

They had about five articles about the CIA leak scandal.

God, those people are stupid. And irrelevant, too.