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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:09 PM
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Mark Warner on CSPAN NOW! 8pm Eastern.
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:20 PM by nickshepDEM
Check it out!

He's definitely not the most exciting candidate, however, he's very smart and he articulates his message very well. He has some great ideas and he's done great things in VA. I love the fact that he's focused on getting things done rather than partisan politics as usual.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:12 PM
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1. This guy is great!!!! He's got it all going on. He's everything that
dumbass isn't. I can't imagine dumbass sitting down and answering questions the way Warner is.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:26 PM
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7. My father called me while watching it and called him "smart" and "credible
Those are two terms that I think would work well with voters.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:38 PM
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10. Yep! He's very warm and easy on the ears. Nice guy...
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:54 PM by Kahuna
Kinda Clintonesque in that he came from humble roots, and was a young activist. I'm very impressed by his activism at such a young age. This guy is a keeper. :woohoo:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:14 PM
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2. He's OK, but it bothers me that he's a Bilderberger.
Why do nearly all the Dems with even half a shot have such corporist ties?

:shrug:
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:16 PM
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4. Didnt Edwards go in 2004?
I think its one of those events if your invited -- You go. A very select few are invited every year.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:52 PM
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13. Why?
I'd either turn it down or go and then break all the rules and report on what, exactly, was discussed.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:57 PM
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14. Id probably do the same.
Id go and tell all.
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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:16 PM
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3. He's OK... VP maybe?
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:17 PM
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5. He's running for President...
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:19 PM by nickshepDEM
If he doesnt land the top slot, look for him to be on everyones short list of VP's.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:24 PM
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6. I firmly believe that if Kerry had put Warner on the ticket he could have
won VA.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:27 PM
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8. I doubt it.
Im a firm believer that VP's have minimal impact on elections. Id say they swing their home state 2-3% max. I dont know a single voter who went to the polls in 2004 and voted for Kerry soley because John Edwards was VP.

With that said, if Warner runs in 2008, he carries VA. No doubt about it. He's just too popular and he's done too much for the state. They love him down there. Highest approval rating of any departing Governor in the history of Mason-Dixon polling. 74% Approval.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:00 PM
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17. I concur
Kerry's campaign problems weren't a function of his V-P pick, but rather of his ineffectuality at running a national campaign against a gang of bloodthirsty, win-at-all-costs Repiglicans.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:11 PM
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21. LOL! I concur with your concurrence.
:rofl:
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:30 AM
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33. Warner as VP wouldn't have allowed us to carry Virginia
We lost by roughly 8 points if I remember correctly. My estimate of a VP's worth is very similar to yours, although I would up it to 3-4 points.

The problem last year was we didn't have an obvious VP candidate from Ohio. A John Glenn minus 20 years would have been a natural and almost certainly put Kerry over the top. A year later I've been sitting here cringing at the irony that Paul Hackett emerged a year too late. That would have been an out-of-nowhere pick that I'm sure Kerry never would have made, but almost anyone from Ohio should have been considered.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:32 PM
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9. If he doesn't get the nomination, he could run for governor again
He's already signaled that he's thinking seriously about running for governor again in four years. Personally, I can't imagine Warner having any interest in being anyone's VP.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 01:42 AM
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34. Do they allow anyone to serve any more than four years?
Even if it's not concurrent?

I understand he can't run for reelection though.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:52 AM
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39. You can sit out a term in VA and then run again.
It's a strange state in that respect.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:39 PM
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11. He's talking about 2008!
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:41 PM by nickshepDEM
He's on fire.

"Show me results."
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:45 PM
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12. Sounds to me like he has been thinking very seriously about..
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 09:13 PM by Kahuna
what it would take to win in 2008. Holy cow! Now he's detailing an Iraq strategy. Oh yeah. He's running. :woohoo:
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phylla Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:29 PM
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25. I am an activist in Va. Mark Warner is running for Pres. No question.
He is already quietly asking for big donations from his supporters...and he is a multimillionaire to boot.
He is running...count on it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:39 PM
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27. He said he's starting a pac. Something like Wes Clark 's I guess..
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 09:54 PM by Kahuna
I could tell that he's practically committed to running. I think we are very fortunate if he does. If people want to stop Hillary, we need to collectively get behind a more palatable alternative.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:58 PM
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15. Governor Warner has it head and shoulders
above just about every potential democratic nominee going, including, but not limited to Hillary and Kerry.

A ticket with a smart, articulate self-made man like Warner and Clark as V-P would be mighty hard to stop.

Anybody know if Warner has any sort of exploratory campaign apparatus set up?
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:59 PM
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16. my husband -- the republican (registered independent)
said "he's got my vote".
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:03 PM
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19. What did you think Cat?
And what in particular did your hubby like?
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:39 PM
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26. i like him because i think he can unite the country. my husband.
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 09:43 PM by catmother
likes him because he approaches issues from a business standpoint rather than a political. my husband has been saying for years that the dems need to give us a good person. he did not like kerry and wasn't crazy about gore. he did like clinton.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:59 PM
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30. Clinton was basically a more "showy" version of Warner.
Warner is low key, but you can see the same traits in terms of how they go about looking at problems.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:05 PM
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31. Right. I said above that Warner was somewhat Clintonesque.. They're
both smart and pragmatic when it comes to addressing problems. THAT's what Americans want. This guy is a gift.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:08 PM
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20. Exactly. Warner "GETS" it. A lot of non Democrats are looking
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 09:10 PM by Kahuna
for Dems to present a presentable leader. They know the repukes are full of it. But they think our "leaders" are too radical. We need someone like Warner who is down to earth, first. And then appealing to the majority of voters. There that bad word again. "Majority." Putting on my flame retardant suit now. For I expect our fire breathing brethren :hi: to attack me for wanting us to appeal to the "majority." :
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:33 AM
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35. Oh that radical Kerry
And here I thought the problem was that he was a DLC warmongering corporate whore.

Live and learn, I guess.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:18 AM
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37. Comparing Kerry and Warner is comparing apples to oranges.
Surely you realize that. I won't even bother to go into the myriad differences. But I'll leave you with this, one voted for 87B dollars before he voted against it.... :eyes:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:26 AM
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38. "I will not raise taxes"
Before he raised them.

I'll stick with my guy who never lied about needing to pay for what we spend.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 01:09 PM
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41. No flame but a disagreement
Why do people insist on believing that clear liberalism is "radical." I don't get it.

What is truly "radical" is the way our economy and society have been restructured over the last 30 years to favor the rights and interests of corporations and oligarchs over those of the majority of the population.

Demnocrats have to stop worrying about breaking the corporate mold, and stand up for liberasl and progressive principles and explain to those in the middle why it is in their own best interests to support a restoration of economic justice and democracy.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:37 PM
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50. Armstead, you can be "radical" without scaring people. I'm talking
about the red meat throwers. While they may excite the far left base (10% to 15% of alll voters), they TURN OFF everybody else. How are we to ever win unless we have a strategy that will make the dreaded center, WHERE MOST OF THE VOTERS ARE, feel comfortable voting for liberal. In other words my friend, we need a stealth liberal to run.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:01 PM
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18. Warner on Iraq...
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 09:04 PM by nickshepDEM
Bare with me Im paraphrasing...

-We need to focus less on how got there and more on how we get out!

-Iraqi's need to be more involved.

-Reestablish civil authority. Power and water to all areas of Iraq.

-We're harming our National Guard with overextended and multiple deployments. There job is here in the U.S., not in foreign nations. We have a serious reenlistment problem.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:11 PM
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22. The fact that he is even talking about Iraq is a sure sign he is going to
run. Why else would he even have any opinions on it?
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:46 PM
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28. it makes sense. much as i would like the troops to
come home tomorrow i have to admit that it's not the answer.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:52 PM
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29. We all wish they could come home tomorrow. Unfortunately
since the bushies don't really want to leave they will continue to drag their feet and accomplish nothing. And our kids are stuck over there, probably until a Democrat gets in office.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:32 PM
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32. i'm afraid you're right. did you hear what mccain said
"we might be there for 10-20 years. that's no so bad". i think he's totally lost his fucking mind.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:16 PM
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42. I don't dislike the guy, but if that is all that he said on Iraq,
he is talking in generalities and stating the obvious. My take is that he is playing it very safe.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:36 PM
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46. do you have a solution? i don't. i'm hoping someone smarter
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 03:44 PM by catmother
than me does.

it was an hour interview and a small part was given to the war. i think it would take another hour for him to actually detail what he would do.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:13 PM
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23. At first I didn't think he was impressive, & I still don't, but the more I
think about it, the more I started wondering if this guy could be someone who the average American voter could relate to more than any of our other candidates. He seems like the type of guy who could just walk into your family room and fit right in. That could equal a winner.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:24 PM
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24. I'm not personally one who cares for impressive oratory.
In truth, most Americans aren't. Mark Warner is simply a guy who makes good sense when he speaks.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:45 AM
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36. He united both sides in this state.....not an easy thing to do.
He had, and will have, my vote. He is calm, and level headed.

I hope Kaine continues the trend.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:49 PM
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52. Kaine is basically running as a second term for Mark Warner
If voters see it that way, he'll win.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:59 PM
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40. My choice would still be John Kerry!
Warner is suitable for Va, but I think his appeal is limited.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:37 PM
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43. He'd be a fine presidential candidate...
for the republican party.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:54 PM
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44. LOL.
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 03:20 PM by nickshepDEM
That was awful cowardly. Pop into a thread, accuse the man of being a Republican, but do not state any proof.

His record states the exact opposite. I suggest you do some reasearch and then we'll talk.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:30 PM
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45. IRW: Check.
Bankruptcy Reform Bill: Check.
CAFTA: Check.

I could get into the Patriot Act, his failure to vote on the Byrd Amendment to the Budget Reconciliation Bill, et al, but I'll just stick to a few of the biggies where plenty of dems did the right thing but Warner did not.

Hell, Warner wasn't even looking at a presidential run in '04 so he just voted for the IWR b/c he liked it, I guess.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:12 PM
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47. Umm, umm, are you serious?!?!?
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 05:16 PM by nickshepDEM
Mark Warner is a GOVERNOR. Governors do not vote in the U.S. Senate.

Please go back and do some research. For god sakes, you thought Mark Warner was a United States Senator.


Oh, and, when your doing your research. Make sure you look into Governor Mark Warner, not Senator John Warner (R).
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:17 PM
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48. You're talking about the WRONG Warner!!!
Mark Warner is the govenor of VA. You're talking about the decrepit old, John Warner who is a repuke senator from VA. Sheesh lady...
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:21 PM
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49. That happens ALL THE TIME... Two Warners from VA...
Crazy how many times people confuse what the two do and say.. :crazy:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:39 PM
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51. But what would make anybody on DU think that any DUer would
sing the praises of John Warner??? :crazy:
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:56 PM
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53. well maybe because he was married to liz taylor. lol n/t
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:16 PM
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54. John Warner is better than most Senate Republicans right now.
Compare him to George Allen or Rick Santorum or Tom "I'm cool with torture" Coburn.
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