Use the scandals

In the forthcoming shake out that will wipe out the BushNeoConspirators,
we all should consider to use the crisis for a restart of democracy.
At least.
Most suitable reform our money, too.
Over even our culture.
At most.


It's not about who provide the president.

It's not about the democratic oder republican party, not at all about a party anyway.

It's not about your constitution.

Imagine: You are at this point with all this checks and balances that the founding fathers had well thought and brought to you.

It's at least about trust in elected politicians.

Maybe about democracy as a functional system in general, after all we got under this name, which is in fact nothing more then a pretty orwellian name for the same old story- reign of the less about the masses.
How could we secure, that the congressman and senators do what we the people told them to do?
How could we secure that no voter fraud make the primary column of democracy ridiculously?
How could we secure that not the money reigns?
How could we secure that the media reports the truth to maintain their role as 4. power of controll?

Maybe it's about our high praised culture, our way of life, that ignore all the negative results for our planet, other individuals and so on. And wasn't so well at all. But that's for sure future music. But where do we start?

We're on the edge of our civilization. Corporate mafia. Greed. Pollution. All in the name of Maximum Profit.


It's all about controll. Money. Military. Media.

Who owns it? Who controlls it? Who reigns the world?

What can we do, that the same hijacking catastrophe of a warmonger cabal can't get happen again?

I suggest you to take to heart the old researcher wisdom: Follow the money. Not only, who profits most. But about our worldwide money system in general. I have the strong feeling that a real democracy can't be build on a fiat money interest currency. This form of money includes all the undesirable development that we face today. A hived off system, that needs wars. Fear. Ever increasing growth. Debts. Values. Inflation. And on and on.


That means shifting from poor to rich.
Shifting from labour to posession.
Less labour neccessary.
Fewer and fewer with power (money) and controll about all neccessary essentials via stock holders detour.
Useful debt-slaves.


Don't be fools and play the interest money card again.
There are alternatives.
Like http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/
http://www.gogo-regios.com/
http://www.libertydollar.org/
(but as long as there were positive interest every currency with natural limits will fail.)

Or read this book:
The Future of Money : Creating New Wealth, Work and a Wiser World by Bernard Lietaer

Only with a new currency system we can prevent all the mistakes that dozens of generations made before us.

Or those who do not want to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

to get our message out and to show people what neocons really mean.

You sound like you are using "talking points" sent out by Grover telling you to go to a DU site and make Democratic reaction seem something other than adult.

We don't "use". Governance is serious. And if you are incompetent then Dems can point that out.

Why do low post DUers always insist on us "apeing" the adolescent actions of Rove & the neocons?

We are the adults. We have support because the adults who voted for Bush are disgusted due to Katrina and lies & incompetence.

Our message is getting out because the neos of Utopian and narcissistic.

Why would we diminish that by going out and "learning from the idiots who thought they could play games with the planet". Why would we want to follow the "talking points" of manipulators who work & admire people who thought they were so smart they "out-thought" all of humanity that came before them. Hubris, hubris, hubris, and other childhood ailments they should have been over by TEN! Because they are sick and vain. Why would we copy them? Why would we "use" anything? The facts speak for themselves. Dems job is to have a plan of their own and point out what is not acceptable.

of the anarchy history. Sometimes in history there were chances to change something, but no one could use this chances because of the lack of alternative ideas.

But before you consider alternative ideas you must have the notion about what was going wrong first.


But I understand your objection. It's not about a new doctrine, but talking points ( the way I understood them- means that someone talk about the points ) are and stay important.

learn from the politicos on the other side. As much as they would like us to parrot all their actions - so they will not stand alone being accused of being character assassins and mindless drones who put politics before policy.. we are not like that.

Why should we let those idiots,Utopians and cold-hearted freaks teach us language and how to conduct our democratic practices.

I feel really strongly about that.

You're right. My own intension is a better thought over use of speech.

Seems quite difficult for me, to get it right. One of my serious problems for posting in DU.

stuff Dems are talking about .. be it reasons for war... attack on science...the need for health care to be fixed...what are the rich sacrificing in all this war (the answer NOTHING - they send the bill to the next generation of middle class kids).

This is serious adult stuff. You fight with might and empathy. You do not parrot the words of used car dealers like the political arm of the GOP.

IMHO

:hi: Welcome to the DU.