After seeing McCain yesterday with Jon Stewart

I think that if he can win his party nomination he can win the White House.

Luckily for us, like "Arnold Vinick" of TV "West Wing," the rabid reactionaries are not ready for thoughtful, articulate with some moderation candidates.

he's self deprecating...what a change for repubs.

that loves our country, he doesn't deserve anyone's vote.

the moderate thing is bullshit.
i thought he came across as wishy-washy.

If the vote is fair and we run someone other than Hillary,
Kerry, lieberman - we will win.

We need Al Gore.

Bush did him dirty. I can't stand somebody who pretends to be something he's not. And that's what he does.

crooked as they come.

Bush said so!

I suppose he did.

given that most of the words in the phrase "Viet Cong Manchurian Candidate" are unfamiliar to him, but the Bushmacht sure made it out that way.

McCain was mentally unstable from torture.

His joke about finding the WMD's last night was not funny. That was so reminiscent of Bush's attempt to make light of it.

Spouting same old talking points about Iraq are tiresome and typical of any old republican.

Yet McCain jumps to their bidding......

he would have to do an awful lot to regain what little respect I had for him.

I think he may have gotten a Snickers bar and feathered Dream Catcher for his rear view mirror for it.

Either way, he seems to have retained this reputation of still having a spine, when we know that his spine has now become a mythical entity like Unicorns and Weapons of Mass Destruction.

elephant EGGS! Yeah, mccain is real funny in his head.

before I supported Gore.

I still haven't forgiven McCain for backing down from the Rovian smears, especially against his family, then later supporting Bush.

Only half my heart was with Gore because he shunned Clinton :(

In spite of everything that went on during that witch hunt, Clinton was still incredibly popular.

inspectors finish the job (or even give them the 30 days they asked for) before we rushed into an unnecessary and ill-planned war and endless occupation. Instead, what we got from McCain was the same old song and dance that "everybody" thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

And what does that have to do with the price of milk, Senator McCain? Did "everybody" manipulate intelligence and lie to us when he said "war was his last resort?"

HELL, NO!

I doubt that many DUers and Democrats would vote for him. I was really alarmed when Kerry floated that trial balloon about having him as a running mate.

But he can attract moderate Republicans and independent. Even rabid Republicans should not be too concerned as he is opposed to women's right to privacy.

And, in contrast to Kerry, he is a vet who has never criticized this country - a real parrot for many voters.

I don't think that we need to worry. The religious wrong will eviscerate him.

Mentioned here and many, many other places.

http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/00-03-SPR/congress.html
http://www.peele.net/lib/mccain.html
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:bAyFTwU-e60J:www.realchange.org/mccain.htm+cindy+mccain+drugs&hl=en

I think it was as McCain was repeating the BULLSHIT crap about how dangerous Saddam "could have been." He came off as weak and silly with that garbage....

unstable from being imprisoned, just to show you how effective rove's smears are.

edited to add "ive" to "effect"

A Moderate Rupublican like McCain...

the infamous "Hugging Bush" moment.

No sound. Just the video. Slo-mo.

There is nobody we have that could beat McCain but that most likely will not be an issue. The Repukes like him about as much as we like Zell.

on intelligent design? He'll kiss whatever ass he is told.

after the vicious attacks on his daughter's skin color in 2000, I lost all respect for the man as a public servant. What he went through in Vietnam was horrendous, and I completely respect that aspect of his career. I also admire his stance on the torture amendment. But when you don't stick up for innocent family members (especially your children), and when you make fun of a teenager who didn't seek out the spotlight just because of her physical appearance, you've crossed a line in my book.

Not to mention: He's conservative. Very conservative, in fact. He was given a lifetime score of 83 by the American Conservative Union. The man's not a centrist.

And his "apology" doesn't hold water. No good person would ever have made the comment in the first place. Mean.

OTOH, I think it's right that he has a better chance at the White House than he has to be his party's nominee, trips to right wing religious leaders or not.

However, I hate how he's the media's darling, always touted as some kind of moderate voice of reason, when he's a) very conservative, and b) downright mean at times, to people who don't deserve it.

What is the real story behind his days as a POW? The U.S. Veteran Dispatch had an article in June of 1996 entitled "POW Songbird McCain Wrongly Described As A Hero." It recounted numerous instances where John McCain violated the Military Coda of Conduct, which specifically orders American personnel to give the enemy no information other than name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. It requires that they accept no favors from the enemy, and to make no written or oral statement disloyal to the United States.

The fact is, in exchange for better medical treatment, McCain violated this code four days after being capturedon Oct. 26, 1967. In a U.S. News and World Report interview dated May 14, 1973, two months after he was released, McCain admitted that he exchanged military information in exchange for spending six weeks in a hospital normally reserve for North Vietnamese Military officers.

http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

also:

http://www.lizmichael.org/mccainwa.htm

He's just another disgusting right-winger. He's crawled so far into Bush's ass I don't know if he can get out.

McCain is worthless. Luckily, he'll be too fucking old to run in 2008.

That's a year older than what's his face was when he ran..

Ain't Gonna Happen.

So it doesn't disqualify him immediately.

I have always thought that winning his party's nomination would be much more difficult for him than winning the general election.

Given the disatisfaction a lot of Conservatives have with Bush, and the increasing strains in the Republican tent, a McCain nomination is not such an out-there possibility. He's slowly making peace with a lot of Bush-backers. And given that plenty of Republicans are NOT Bush-bots, he has a decent chance. I know polls at this stage aren't very reliable predictors, but the fact that he's already got over 30% (and another 30% for Giuliani) means that plenty of Republicans are at least willing to consider him.

Plus he has some solid support among influential Republicans, especially in South Carolina, which will be crucial - both Gov. Sanford and Sen. Graham back him heavily.

And if he's nominated, we don't have anybody that could beat him. We might be able to ultimately make it close and if the war is still a big issue maybe we could tie him to that and score an upset, but I'm sure none of us want to have that opportunity - hopefully by that point, we'll be OUT of Iraq and it won't be an issue anymore.

My guess is that if McCain wins the '08 nominee, Gov. Mark Sanford will be the VP and McCain may only serve one term.

:kick: ~~~ Whoever it turns out to be!! ~~~ :kick:

I don't *THINK* he'll be the R-nominee. But he might be.

McCain is a REPUBLICAN. NEVER FORGET THAT. NEVER SUPPORT HIM.

I abhor McCain. Once upon a time I could give him some measure of respect but after Chimpy and Rove slimed his family in South Carolina and then he kisses up to Chimpy during last year's election was enough to convince me he has no morals, self respect or dignity. Nope, whatever respect I might have had for him is gone, gone, gone. Besides he is smart enough to know exactly what Chimpy and the Christian Taliban are doing to this country and he just doesn't give a damn as long as they invite him to the "in" parties. He hugged - HUGGED - that stupid MF. Can't forgive, won't forget.

That said, the wackos in the repuke party hate him as much as many in the Democratic Party dislike Hillary. (He is not wacky enough on the religious front to please them.) He'll do a fine job of splitting the party if he gets the nomination - which isn't a bad thing.

But many independent and, perhaps, uninformed Democrats will. As others have said, a lot depends on who will be our nominee.

I think that he can beat both Kerry and Clark.

I think that of all the current prospective candidates, he has the least negative quotient.

He backed Bush the whole way in '04 and he knew better....

after he spent has spent the last two years cheerleading for bush?

when I watched him literally kiss up to Bush.

He's certainly a higher grade of animal than what we've got. But that's not exactly saying a whole lot, is it?

enough to win his party's nomination.....

He's sold out so completely, even he doesn't believe half of the GOP talking points he's repeating.

He came off as very awkward and insincere.

If it gets any bigger, he may wind up being a candidate for serious chemo-therapy. His health may be the big factor in his decision to run in 2008. Could be punishment for being the "two faced weasel" he really is.

I like McCain, but that lump looks bad.

and a liar

and a sleaze

He wouldn't condemn the swift boaters what they did to Kerry (just said both sides should stop).

I will never forgive that piece of mental shit for that.

The fundies and far right don't like him. Whatever we may think of him, he would be a very dangerous candidate to go up against and I'm glad we won't have to.

really

No registered Democrat with an ounce of sense would pull the lever for this sellout asshole after his ass-kissing of * in '04

I respect McCain's service and suffering but NOT his loyalty to these traitorous torturers who endanger our troops for their profiteering.

just sickening :puke:

He is an accomplice to the crimes perpetrated by these criminals. He has enabled them every step of the way.

His weakness is that hs is too much a good soldier, but as president there wouldnt be anyone he has to toe the line for. Same with Colin Powell.

That said, the next election is the Dems to lose.

Stewart and McCain were talking about torture, and a montage of screens came up behind them: "What if Osama bin Laden had a nuclear bomb on a timer" - there was a digital clock thingy like on "24".

McCain - "I'm a Jack Bauer kind of guy, only difference is he always escapes, and I never could."

That was pretty funny.

when I first heard Blitzer posing this questions. I wanted to tell him that "24" is only a movie.

ALWAYS gets the information he needs, whether he uses physical or psychological torture. Unfortunately, Mr. Cheney, "24" is FICTION! (and my favorite TV show)

I just got home and my dogs were greeting me so loudly that it was hard to catch who the guy was.. =BARK, BARK, BARK.. MOMMY's HOME.. BARK, BARK, BARK! =

He pointed out McCain's oddity in being "for Bush one day, against him the next" (not in those exact words maybe.. but he's right. McCain has "Tweety syndrome")

Also he mentioned that "IF" McCain won the presidency, he'd beat Reagan in being the older than dirt president because he'd be 3 years older than Reagan when he (McCain) took the oath.. Said McCain would be 72. (I guessed 71 yesterday :crazy: )

He did make a small mention that McCain would possibly have a tough time with the rightest right-wingers of his party though.

The guy ended by commenting on how McCain has the bug, and once you've been bitten like he's been bitten... ain't no turning back-- he insisted McCain will be running.

A lot can happen tweenst now and then, so I guess we'll see. All I can say is .... I'm still confident that we'll have a stellar candidate for 2008. ~~Dunno who yet, but "We'll get it right - We'll be ready to fight" :kick:

He drives me nuts. At least Bush, as dumb as he is, actually believes what he says. Where as, McCain is just a KISS ASS.

But he can lose if he's correctly exposed as the phony maverick he really is. While he frequently criticizes his fellow Republicans and their policies, he almost always ends up voting along with them to support those policies.

He is not much of a man in my book. Lets those criminals savage his wife and child then hugs Tush I mean Bush.