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Columbus Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:00 PM
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Sherrod Brown Pulling Out?

With proper attribution to
http://www.OhioHonestElections.org
and the Cleveland Plain Dealer

Does anyone know if Brown has rented a hall for an announcement? Is he in or is he out?

Note the poke at dailykos where there was a battle yesterday over Brown's lifted words.

"Wednesday, November 09, 2005

The Cleveland Plain Dealer editorial (Sherrod Brown's wife works at the paper) questions whether the Brown campaign is already out of gas before it even begins. We have heard that Sherrod Brown has rented a hall for an announcement. Will the announcement be that he is getting in, or that he is getting out? "It's been a bad few weeks for Rep. Sherrod Brown, the 13th District Democrat from Avon. First, his dilatory decision to enter the U.S. Senate race next year set him at loggerheads not only with Paul Hackett, the up-and-coming Cincinnati Democrat who had announced for that contest on Brown's word that he would not run, but as well with other Democratic officeholders who had pushed Hackett's candidacy."

"Then Brown, a seven-term congressman, mistakenly voted "no" on a base-realignment package, the passage of which meant many hundreds of jobs for Greater Clevelanders. It passed handily, but his explanation of support, later entered in the Congressional Record, won't make it any less attractive campaign fodder for his future opponents."

"Now it turns out a Brown staffer lifted from an Internet blog, without attribution, most of what was contained in a letter Brown fired off to the senator he hopes to unseat, Republican Mike DeWine. The scorching missive challenged DeWine's quick support of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito with words apparently first typed by blogger Nathan Newman, taking to task Alito's labor rulings."

"The word for that is plagiarism -- in newspapers a firing offense, in politics a cause of deep embarrassment. Just ask Sen. Joe Biden, the Delaware Democrat whose stump speech borrowing some paragraphs from a British politician's repertoire helped take him out of the 1988 presidential race."

"Brown's staff has fallen on the sword for him, claiming all responsibility for the paper placed on the boss's desk. And blogger Newman is incensed that The Plain Dealer even cares where the language came from."

"But we do -- and voters should, too. Here's why: We need to know who is speaking. Is it a responsible, elected public official, or an Internet dilettante? Or is theirs a seamless relationship that makes a vote for Brown a vote for nathannewman.org or the Daily Kos? In their minds, does it make a difference? In ours, it does."

"Brown, a bright, energetic liberal who has gone almost 15 years with this page's endorsements and without a serious challenge, has let his campaign skills get out of shape. This transgression shows a staff that's already intellectually gassed -- and the race has yet to begin. What will happen once the gun sounds?"
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:06 PM
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1. Glad to see him out
He said he was not going to run and Paul entered the race, then he changed his mind....
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:10 PM
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4. Who said he was out?
nt
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:20 PM
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7. One can hope can't he?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:22 PM
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8. This one sentence says it all
Then Brown, a seven-term congressman, mistakenly voted "no" on a base-realignment package, the passage of which meant many hundreds of jobs for Greater Clevelanders. It passed handily, but his explanation of support, later entered in the Congressional Record, won't make it any less attractive campaign fodder for his future opponents."

Voting against jobs for Ohio..... Not a good move... IMHO
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:08 PM
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2. Consider that incumbent Dewine has not even announce a bid
Brown's campaign is hardly hobbled. It's almost laughable--that paper defining "responsibility".
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:09 PM
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3. "Internet Dilettante?"
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:10 PM by Teaser
How condescending. Nathan Newman is anything but. He is knowledgeable and incisive (at least as much as the editors of the Plain Dealer), and understands that the blog model is mostly an open-source model.

Ashame the Plain Dealer can't get their minds out of the 20th century.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:10 PM
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5. I'm sad for Brown supporters if it turns out to be true...
But still happy for Ohio Democrats that you have =TWO= incredible candidates!

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:11 PM
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6. I would take anything from the "liberal" PD with a cinder-block of
salt . . . remember, this is the "editorial board" which didn't have the guts to buck Alex Macheske and endorse Kerry against his wishes.

Talk about Dems being gutless . . .
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:36 PM
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9. Attack on bloggers and the net
Expect a whole lot more of it as printed ad revenues and television ad revenues disintegrate. 15 years and they have the nerve to call him an internet dilettante? Who's defensive here? Is Murdoch still threatening to buy Knight-Ridder?

Brown has to decide if he really wants to fight in this race. If so, he should already be campaiging on the ground.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:39 PM
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10. Sherrod's doing fine
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:50 PM by OzarkDem
that's why the news media is so worried about him.

And he is already campaigning.

On edit: In spite of his wife working there, the editors of the Pee Dee would love nothing more than to see Sherrod pull out of this race.

The Ohio Republican Party owns the Pee Dee.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:42 PM
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11. Don't be so sure Hackett has broader appeal- IMO he isn't
senate material.If this is an attempt to try to force him outI think it is wrong. At this point let the primaries decide the winner.
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JWS Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:20 PM
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15. If the primaries decide, it mioght be too brutal of a race.
Polls have shown Hackett has a far greater lead over dewine than brown -as one poll showed brown ahead of dewine with 3 points and hackett ahead with 10.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:26 PM
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16. Last poll we saw showed Brown doing better than Hackett vs. Dewine
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:45 PM
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12. Who is Ohio Honest Elections.org?
I think we've had enough of these "mystery" groups, thanks anyway.

Low post count, too?

Probably the best way to clean up Ohio politics is to start ignoring all these "fly by night" groups that keep cropping up everywhere.

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:12 PM
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19. WHO!
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 08:12 PM by ShaneGR
I dont know.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:19 PM
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20. Good catch, Ozark. n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:10 PM
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13. Brown opening campaign headquarters
Sounds to me like he's in the race...

snip

Now is the time to pick ourselves up by the bootstraps and seize the opportunities that lie before us. Starting today the work begins to elect a new Governor and U.S. Senator. Eighteen U.S. Representatives will be elected, a host of Ohio Senators and Representatives will be up for re-election and we will finally get a Fair Minimum Wage in Ohio. 2006 will be the year of the Democrat.

As such, the Sherrod Brown for U.S. Senate campaign is taking the next steps towards success in 2006. Our campaign headquarters is opening and will be fully operational within one week. We invite you to join us in launching this historic campaign and follow our progress over the coming months.

http://www.growohio.org/
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JWS Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:18 PM
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14. i dunno about this one...
.. the up-and-coming Cincinnati Democrat who had announced for that contest on Brown's word that he would not run, but as well with other Democratic officeholders who had pushed Hackett's candidacy."

As I remember, the democratic officials pretty much retracted their endorsements from Hackett once they found out BRown was running.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:47 PM
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17. no
to answer your question, no, Brown is still in the race.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:37 PM
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18. "Is it a responsible, elected public official,
... or an Internet dilettante?"

This is what most think of us grassrooters. I wonder how long it will be before we are seen as the force we really are? It's a troubling attitude.

TC
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