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Who Would Jesus Torture?
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*From a soldier to a senator

Batteries Not Included
*David Batstone: Who would Jesus torture?

Theologically Connect
*Wal-Mart and frugality's folly

By the Numbers
*Survey says...

Campus Lines
*Anticipating peace, from Exodus to Armistice Day

Religion and Politics
*IRS targets church for anti-war sermon

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*Bibles banned behind bars?

Sojourners in the News
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Who would Jesus torture?

by David Batstone

Christians of strong religious faith and sound moral conscience
often end up in disagreement. Human affairs are a messy
business, unfortunately, and even at the best of times we only
see through a glass, darkly.

It is hard for that reason to call Christians to a universal
standard of behavior. At this moment, however, we cannot afford
to dilute the message of Jesus into meaningless ambiguity. There
are certain acts that a follower of Jesus simply cannot accept.
Here is one: A Christian cannot justify the torture of a human
being.

The practice of torture by American soldiers is a hot topic at
the Pentagon, in the Congress, and in the White House at the
moment. The U.S. Senate already has passed 90-9 a bill that
prohibits "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment" of prisoners
in U.S. custody. The lead advocate of the bill, Sen. John McCain
(R-Ariz.), was tortured by his captors during the Vietnam War.
According to The New York Times, the Pentagon adopted a policy
last Thursday to rein in interrogation techniques. The new
policy uses much of the same language as the McCain amendment -
drawn in large part from the Geneva Convention - to adopt
standards for handling terror suspects.

Remarkably, the White House opposes the Pentagon initiative,
and threatens to veto any legislation to which the McCain bill
gets attached. Vice President Dick Cheney has urged Republican
senators to allow CIA counterterrorism operations
internationally to be exempt from the ban on mistreatment of
prisoners, major newspapers reported.

On Nov. 3, Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff for
then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, said during an interview
on NPR's "Morning Edition" that memos from Cheney's office
practically encouraged abuse of Iraqi prisoners. Though in
"carefully couched terms" that would allow for deniability, the
message from Cheney's office conveyed the sentiment that
interrogations of Iraqi prisoners were not providing the needed
intelligence. Wilkerson said soldiers in the field would have
concluded that to garner better intelligence they could resort
to interrogation techniques that "were not in accordance with
the spirit of the Geneva Conventions and the law of war."

Republican senators are among the strongest voices in the
growing chorus of criticism. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) said, "I
think the administration is making a terrible mistake in
opposing John McCain's amendment on detainees and torture." And
Sen. John Warner (R-Va.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee and co-sponsor of McCain's measure, agreed: "I firmly
believe that it's in the best interest of the Department of
Defense, the men and women of the United States military that
this manual be their guide."

When the existence of secret CIA detention centers became public
this week, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) called for investigations -
not about whether they violate laws governing human rights - but
about how the information was leaked. But members of their own
party are keeping the focus where it belongs. The Washington
Post quoted Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) as saying, "Talk
about not seeing the forest for the trees. The real story is
those jails."

Admittedly, Christians of good faith part paths when political
conflict leads us to consider what constitutes a just and
righteous war - or if any war can be just. Though we may not
consent on the means, we do consent on the need to confront the
spread of evil in the world. Yet we can all affirm scripture
when it says, "Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take
thought for what is noble in the sight of all.... Do not be
overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" (Romans 12:17,
21). When we confront evil with its own means, those means mark
our own character.

In that regard, the practice of torture so fully embraces evil
it dehumanizes both the torturer and its victim. No just cause
can be won if it relies on torture to succeed. Democracy and
freedom cannot result from a war fueled by torture, which is why
so many Americans were shocked and angered by the disturbing
incidents that took place at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

All the more so, Christians must oppose torture under any
circumstances. Consider this: Who would Jesus torture? I cannot
imagine Jesus finding a single "exemption" that would justify
such an abuse of any individual made in God's image.

Though I bristle whenever I hear someone refer to the United
States as a Christian nation - it is such a loaded phrase - many
in the Muslim world see us as such. How tragic it would be for
Muslims to identify the message and mission of Jesus with
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