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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:01 PM
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Dean's "enough is enough" fundraising letter: no mention of Iraq
it's Iraq stupid ... i can now officially say i think Dean just doesn't get it ... i've given him a chance; i've been patient; he can't do it all by himself, but this is inexcusable ... i just received Dean's latest fundraising letter and not a word about Iraq ... the war may well be the most serious foreign policy blunder in our nation's history and not one single word ...

i agree with Dean on one major point: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ...

thanks for representing the millions and millions of Americans who are disgusted that neither Democrats nor republicans have tried to cut-off the funding for bush's Mid-East adventures ... most Americans know the war is bullshit ... most want the war to end ASAP ... a recent poll (NBC i think) showed that 53% of Americans believe the war is the number one issue facing the country right now ... the percentage among Democrats is much higher than that ...

and Dean, the Party's chief political strategist, fails to even mention the issue ... yeah, go ahead and tell me about his 50 state strategy again ... what the hell good is it going to all 50 states when you can't even address the main concerns of the majority in your own Party ???

letter after letter i received from Hillary stunk of the DLC's "we won't even talk about foreign policy" odor ... and i've seen many, many posts on DU defending Dean and highlighting that Dean is DNC, not DLC ... well, apparently he's bought into Hillary's view that foreign policy is NOT an issue ... not a single word about it in Dean's letter ... not one single word ... American troops are dying every single day and apparently the DNC does not consider this to be an issue worth highlighting ... it's a disgrace ...

is this the so-called "anti-war" Dean? is this the man from "the democratic wing of the Democratic Party?" is this the man that wants to empower the grassroots who believe that the war should end ASAP?

not one damned word about either Iraq or foreign policy? yeah, enough is enough! at least Dean got that right ...
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:25 PM
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1. The issue of Americans dying has been brought up many times
by Dean....What one has to be careful of is falling into the propaganda trap of the Republicans.They would love to get the Democrats caught up in this "where they want to be" ..Center? Left? etc.Just like the article about Democrat fund raising that failed to mention that most of the Republican money in the bank is from corporations...
I think the Democrat party needs to get back to its roots and not be afraid of being labeled a liberal.
Just what was wrong with the party of Roosevelt and Kennedy and please don't tell me we can't win without moving to the center..
.But we cant just stop funding the war because the ones that will suffer the most is the soldiers and sailors serving there..
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:33 PM
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2. not a single mention of Iraq
an entire fundraising letter with not a single word about foreign policy ... that's just plain wrong ... it's bad policy and it's worse politics ...

it's totally inexcusable ... it fails to talk to the millions and millions of Americans, especially Democrats, who have had enough of this war ...

and what's going on at the top of the Party?? why is it that i've received letters from Hillary (i think two), letters from the DSCC and the DCCC and now one from Dean and the DNC and foreign policy is not even mentioned???

that is just not OK with me ... i'm glad to hear Dean has brought up the issue many times ... hopefully he'll emphasize it on MTP tomorrow ... in the meantime, his pathetic fundraising letter fell flat on its face ... the war is THE ISSUE ... apparently Dean and the DNC don't understand that ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:35 PM
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3. From the right and from the left.....both equally destructive to unity.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 05:35 PM by madfloridian
Some of us are noting who is coming out in chorus after Tuesday's election. Pretty obvious.

He gives a powerful statement about Bush last night, says he cherry-picked.

And here you are. Pretty obvous.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:42 PM
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4. unity means addressing the issues of the majority
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 05:44 PM by welshTerrier2
admit it, Dean failed to do that ... you level your little accusations but you FAILED to dispute the truths i stated ... you FAILED to acknowledge that the war is a major issue with a majority in the party ... you FAILED to acknowledge that "mr. grassroots" didn't even address the war that most Democrats are very concerned about ...

what is OBVIOUS is that you would follow Dean into a pile of horse manure ... why don't you get off the Dean-wagon and admit his fundraising letter blew it ... not one word about Iraq ... it's disgraceful and so are those who defend such misguided incompetence ...

it is you, not i, who are "pretty obvious" ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 05:52 PM
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5. Well, some have agendas that are against the party itself.
So some need not to throw stones.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:00 PM
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6. opposing the war and those not demanding its end ASAP
is NOT "against the Party itself" ... in fact, i believe nothing would help the Party more than forcefully coming out against the war ... and it's certainly the case that not even addressing the issue while Americans are dying everyday is unconscionable ...

once AGAIN you FAILED to acknowledge what this thread is about ... it's about Dean's FAILURE to mention even one single word about foreign policy or Iraq in his "enough is enough" fundraising letter ...

you have nothing left but making personal attacks because Dean FAILED to raise a critically important issue and you know it !!!

but you just keep on making your little smears ... just blindly follow along making no defense whatsoever of this pathetic omission ... it is you who are throwing stones; it is i who have spoken the truth about Dean's letter ...

nice try ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:02 PM
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7. Ooh, that hurts.
.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:09 PM
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8. it's clear you just can't address the issue at all
i understand that ... you're devoted to Dean and perhaps you think it would be disloyal to admit it when he screws up ...

well, i hope you find some comfort in your denial ... i wish you only the best ...

of course, if you really gave a damn about unity, you'd acknowledge that this mistake in the fundraising letter clearly will not achieve unity with those who put great emphasis on the war ... you can understand that, can't you?

you're so busy whining about the left and the right and everyone's who's "bashing" Dean, that you fail to see that you are part of the problem ... I'd be happy to fight for unity; but it will not come about when the war is not even on the radar in these fundraising letters the Party keeps sending out ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:17 PM
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9. No, I am not part of the problem. I am working on the solution.
Are you?

I don't intend to address your point, as I don't see a fundraising letter as being an appropriate place to take a stand on Iraq...especially when most of our Democrats voted for it.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:34 PM
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11. "most Democrats voted for it" ????
really????

"In the House, 126 of the chamber's 208 Democrats voted against the war resolution." (here's a link: http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/10-13-02/discussion.cgi.44.shtml)

and in the Senate, by my count, 21 of 50 Democrats voted against the war resolution ... (here's another link: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237)

so, that means 147 Democrats voted NO and only 111 voted YES ... that hardly qualifies as "MOST DEMOCRATS" voting for the resolution ...

once again, your facts are wrong and your argument is NOT VALID ...

better return to personal attacks; i think you do better there ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:40 PM
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13. Wow.
Just wow.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:43 PM
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14. a eureka moment as you discover the truth???
or will you persist in your mistaken belief that a majority of Democrats voted FOR the war even when you're confronted with the facts ???
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:25 PM
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10. I guess you missed it when Dean talked up Kerry's
withdrawl plan on Wolf Blitzer.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:39 PM
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12. actually ...
i did ... i NEVER watch Blitzer ... i'll be watching MTP tomorrow and perhaps he'll raise the issue again ...

of course, the point of this post was focused on the fundraising letter ... the issue should be prominent in every communication from the DNC ... to not even mention it is what my post was about ...

i'll refrain, for now, from discussing Kerry's plan ... it's not the focus of this thread ...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 06:52 PM
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15. I didn't read the letter yet. I get too many fundraisers.
But I sure did like that bumpersticker. I immediately put it on my car.

And I support the party and Dean, even if I don't always agree or think they could say one thing or another.

He's addressed the issue before was my point. He will again. Sorry if you think it should be every time he opens his mouth.

Somehow i think that's not going to happen. There are some pressing domestic issues as well.
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