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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:53 PM
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Does "Communist" China still apply? Aren't they capitalist now?
Lou Dobbs always refers to China as "Communist China". Pundits refer to them as "Communist China" then rant about their capitalism, Communism is the ideological opposite of Capitalism. When will they start calling China what it is? A Capitalist dictatorship?
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 06:58 PM
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1. Its capitalism under one-party rule and that happens to be
Communist for historic reasons.

Basically China is essentially a slave/capitalist system that keeps the workers powerless for the benefit of the party. Sick.

They are our partners in pig like consumption and slave utilization.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:22 PM
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6. Not a whole lot different from the U.S. except we have greater freedoms...
regarding press, internet, personal lives, etc.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:06 PM
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2. The face they show us is capitalistic...
The reality seems to be something else.

Along the Yangtze farmers with little more than 5 acres of 75 degree slopes farm weedy patches of maize, but have two story homes with satellite dishes...

Millions are displace by a central decision to dam the Yangtze at the mouth of the 3 gorges...

Hundreds of millions cannot find work in cities lie Beijing, Xiang and Shanghi because they are not "citizens" of those cities.

It is not capitalism. It is NOT a workers paradise.

It is a monstrosity aimed at creating Chinese Robber Barons out of the communist elite.

I hated what I saw there, and I think of myself as a social democrat in the Swedish model, and it was dreadful. Truly dreadful.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:19 PM
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4. Is it better or worse than pre capitalist days?
I've heard its a lot better as far as materially. The gvt still executes people for petty crimes such as "Hooliganism".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:21 PM
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5. Personally, I think it is terrible. The Gov't is abandoning the people
while those who "are" the government are becoming rich.

IMHO it is one completely fucked up system.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:08 PM
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3. Fascism, it seems to be all the rage these days, the few control all!
snip>More generally, uncapitalized, fascism is typified by attempts to impose state control over important aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic. The fascist state regulates and controls (as opposed to nationalizes) the means of production. Capitalism is diminshed, but not eliminated.<snip

Snip>As a political and economic system in Italy, fascism combined elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, nationalism, militarism and anti-Communism. In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and... neither individuals nor groups are outside the State... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative..."
"Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere. ... The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State." - Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism," Firenze: Vallecchi Editore. <snip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:04 PM
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9. Russia also.
Thy never were communists. The party was not open to all. Greed overides the best intentions.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 07:51 PM
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7. I get the impression it's a kind of worst-of-both-worlds system

The political oppression and economic inefficiency of communism and the inequality of capitalism, all in one easy-to-use bottle.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 08:01 PM
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8. Red China used to be the moniker.
Now Amerika is in debt in a major way to that Fascist Regime. We are living in The Twilight Zone.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:07 PM
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10. China is as Communist as Pat Robertson is Christian
China is an autocratic one party capitalist state that has kept the imagery of what it used to be under Mao.
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VegasVinnie Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:49 PM
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11. They haven't been Marxist in years
They're a blend of capitalism and Marxism and socialism at the moment. I call it "authoritarian socialist Communism." Because it has elements of all 3 systems sprinkled throughout it. To break it down into simpler terms, it's authoritarian, which is all we need to know to avoid it.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:12 PM
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12. No, they've gotten rid of the good parts of the Communist era
(free health care, free education with affirmative action for the poor) and kept the bad parts (political repression, suppression of ethnic minorities, sabre rattling over Taiwan).
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:34 PM
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13. They are neither. But they do have elements of both.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:36 PM
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14. Communist my ass
No country that has a stock market can call itself communist.
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