Woodward Drops a Dime on Cheney/Rove...then Implicates Self!!

From the Washington Post 11/16/05

This is getting deep. Woodward is outed--he's spinning now implicating himself as the first recipient of the Plame information. That actually focuses on the "unnamed official" (Rove, Cheney).

:wtf: is this guy up to. Is he trying to climb on board. Pretty stark comparison to his remarks that the whole thing is a joke.

Hey Bob, the joke's on you. Fitzgerald is not laughing.

I seriously think that Fitz sees Woodward, Novak, and Miller not as news people but as co-conspirators.

Woodward implicates the unnamed official:

"Woodward's testimony appears to change key elements in the chronology Fitzgerald laid out in his investigation and announced when indicting Libby three weeks ago. It would make the unnamed official -- not Libby -- the first government employee to disclose Plame's CIA employment to a reporter. It would also make Woodward, who has been publicly critical of the investigation, the first reporter known to have learned about Plame from a government source"

Then implicates himself:

"Woodward's statement said he testified: "I told Walter Pincus, a reporter at The Post, without naming my source, thatI understood Wilson's wife worked at the CIA as a WMD analyst."

Previously, he said it was all "laughable" -- who is laughing now?

"When I think all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great," he told National Public Radio this summer."

just helpin' out by trying to change the timeline. He knows where he picks up his paycheck.

have been told about Valerie? Does it really matter? I don't think so! The base accusation is that someone disclosed confidential information!

The other thing that is missing here is that the ndictment isn't anything about disclosure, but that Scooter LIED!!!

Don't lose sight of the target!

.......was to find out how Plame was outed and who was responsible for it.

I believe that the only reason why the indictment did not include that was because Fitzgerald did not have enough evidence to prove who did it and that he also could not prove that they intended to harm Wilson/Plame. I do still believe that he hopes to prove this at some later date.

Last night John Dean was on Olbermann's show and he said that he still believes that Fitzgerald's target is Cheney. He said that the Libby indictment does not read like a typical indictment.

In the interview, Dean says:
"It has detail that typically you wouldn‘t find in a federal indictment.
In particular, it raises a statute that has nothing to do with the case against Libby, and that is the federal espionage statute, which he gets into in some detail, as well as the executive order that goes with it, that shows the standard of conduct.
Now, what kind of law are we talking about? We‘re talking about a law that covers both intentional release of information that is classified, that can hurt national security, as well as negligent information. And this just, to me, threw all kind of signals that there‘s much more going on here than meets the eye."


Here's the transcript if anyone would like to read the interview:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10050285/

He also went on to explain why Fitzgerald compared the espionage act to the British Secrets Act. I had wondered about that myself.

Anyway, it was an interesting interview.

He's collecting OT from the Cheney Foundation.

...with some additional tidbits its own people chased down..

www.editorandpublisher.com


that site has become one that is worth a daily look....

so bobby is taking the fall-obstrution of justice? with holding information of a crime? who told him? why didn`t he tell the post? they knew a month ago? wow- this opens another grand jury and fitzgerald can go to his judges and ask for everything he needs to fully open up the case and they just may give it to them..maybe the president?

Why did the unnamed official suddenly spill this if it was completely unknown before?

Did NO ONE read the agreements they signed on classified information? And, frankly, Woodward has been around a looooooong time.....how did he miss that gossiping about CIA employees is not kosher? Did he think he was such an insider it didn't count?

People as imbedded in the social fabric as Woodward, he's not only a journalist. All of them have connections and a lot of them know one another's secrets. Many of them have literally been getting away with murder for years. So, yeah, you could say that. He's just like the rest of them.

interview with Fitz?

Here it is
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/plame/woodward.plameCIA.pdf

This gets deeper and deeper.

by some unnamed official. I hope he goes to the big house along with the rest of the scum.

Amazing!

He sullied himself years ago. This cinches his legacy.

His complicity with BushCo is made all the worse for having once done something great for America.

"He's the darkness reaching out from the darkness."

made the Watergate, running. The bulldog to Bernstein's toy dog.

"It is unclear what prompted Woodward's original unnamed source to alert Fitzgerald to the mid-June 2003 mention of Plame to Woodward. Once he did, Fitzgerald sought Woodward's testimony, and three officials released him to testify about conversations he had with them. Downie, Woodward and a Post lawyer declined to discuss why the official may have stepped forward this month."


Looks like the rats are breaking ranks.

Just too much a money hound. Playing too close to the flame to get sources.

Too bad because I got all excited that the new grand jury was up and running...


Hope Woodward gets Judith Miller treatment from his paper! That would be poetic justice indeed. He has been so smug and dismissive -- an utter rat! I think the angle that they wanted out was that the "official," whoever he was, did not think it was classified information so cannot be accused of leaking such. That's why he wanted W to testify. Curiouser and curiouser.

Two things about this piece by Jim VandeHei and Carol Leonnig: Fitzgerald's investigation is still ongoing with witnesses being deposed, and despite Woodward's previous protestations to the contrary, he was an active participant in the Plame leak.

BTW, lying in a deposition is perjury!

Here's what confused me at first:

"It was the first time in 35 years as a reporter that I have been asked to provide information to a grand jury," he said in the statement.

I am amazed about the low depths to which the hero of Watergate has sunk. Woodward is nothing more than a Judy Miller with a penis!

Fitzgerald still deposing people??????

This is an ominous development for Bush's henchmen to have the Special Counsel deposing witnesses. Rove may yet be indicted!

...to be a collectors edition. Did you see the other Washington Post front page story for tomorrow?

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I wonder if they sell the W.P. anywhere in Atlanta, sounds like a keeper.

Where's my scorecard? I just can't keep up with all this information.

This country is in deep doo-doo, but these palace intrigues point to the cracks where we might be able to recapture our democracy.

:rofl: He's "deep throating" himself...doesn't need to go out at night.

He is one strange dude.

I think Fitz is going to get him.

The future reality is now something we are all shaping collectively. It isn't ONLY the PNACers. True, they still have powerful strings to pull but they are not as 'invisible' to the casual observer as they once were. Information is not something they have complete control over.
Yet.
We all know that at some point something has to shift and when it does, it will be like an earthquake.

Imagine Woodward once again the pivotal figure in the collapse of an administration. This time from the inside trying to hide the goods.

...Bush at War and what ever that other one was called. That's probably when he got the info, while doing the interviews for his books.

I think Rove is the “original unnamed source” that alerted Fitzgerald that Woodward played a role in the leak. Rove’s giving up info as part of his plea bargain in exchange for a reduced sentence when Fitz wraps it all up and indicts a shitload of Admin officials.

I just can’t wait to find out who’s the “third unnamed source” Woodward testified about.

As for Woodward, he's yet to realize that they used him to push their B.S……that he was just a pawn and not the “insider” they made him think he was. They played on his ego to suck him in to unwittingly do their dirty work. I don’t think he personally heard Tenet say “slam dunk” but played it off as he did after someone replayed the supposed comment to him. The intention was to bolster the public’s belief in their Big Lie. It was a calculated move on their part.

He was told about Plame in the hopes that he’d have loose lips and pass it along on their behalf, saving them direct involvement. Woodward the Chump thinks it was just a game of “gossip” and “chatter” and he hasn’t come to the realization that he was nothing more than a well-placed and strategic Media Propaganda Tool for them.

Whoever told him Tenet’s comment and Plame’s identity also told him there was “minimal” damage done to the CIA to defuse public criticism and create a pre-emptive Talking Point. He was their Puppet every step of the way.

I like your analysis. It's fills in some gaps. Woodward may have an emerging sense that he's been used. He and the others also need to wonder what Fitzgerald is up to...is he just flushing the birds out of the tree? creating a betray-a-thon where press members come to him to exculpate themselves while all the time gathering information to screw them.

Woodward is a key player in promoting the Bush administration. If he feels betrayed, he'll do something. One wonders what?

Whatever befalls him is well deserved. He deliberately passed along the "nothing much happened" as a result of the release story and, for that Bob Woodward, we've got an all expenses paid visit to "Devils Island."


PS. I noticed your link. Here's a lesser known letter in the same vein with some new names. Robert A. Pastor is of interest here. He's a former Carter Center honcho who supposedly promoted democracy around the world. Most recently he headed the very flawed "Baker-Carter" Commission on elections.
Center for Security Policy Letter on Iraq
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=01-D_76

Another roster of the usual suspects with some new ones to add. They're like cockroaches coming out of the woodwork at every turn!

Cock Roaches, that is, ...nothing much, we'd watch them, share stories...but in this case, we need

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It's unbelievable to me to see how many people knew her identity....Woodward's involvement...very interesting indeed....:eyes:

The plot thickens...

Drip, drip, drip...the info is slowly trickling out to us....The TRUTH will be known.....just wait and see folks...this is going to get even more intrigueing as the months move along....

Who would want to do this, take this risk after this pathetic series of betrayals. You make a very good point.

:hi: Pachamama

Months. I know they pass by quickly any more but the thought of more time going by with these nut cases as our 'government' is very unsettling. Lord only knows what they'll do as they feel more and more cornered.

...something the Pachababies has been teaching me about, yet I'm impatiently watching this all go down and wondering when these MOFO's in the White House are going to all be indicted. Hearing about Cheney's comments tonite at a fundraiser made me want to scream....I want that evil son of a bitch in jail!

And yes, your absolutely right about what "they'll do" as they feel more and more cornered...its what so many of us on the DU have been worried about for so long.

:hi: Beam Me Up!

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attack pieces. That should tell you something right there about his motives. This is the first step of his book promotion tour.

Excellent interviewers stimulate their subjects to speak through initial statements or events and then say very little. It's the silence, often times, that generates really useful information.

Police are good at this and so are prosecutors. It's a different mind set than reporters who talk, talk, talk. Fitz has stimulated a bunch of people with the fear that he's going to put people in jail. They're coming to him or making public statements to exculpate themselves. I'm sure he just sits there and said, "hmmm..." and they keep talking.

Woodward does not want to lose his insulated world of privilege. He also doesn't want his patrons, the Post Company, the Bushies, etc. to turn on him. He knows what that can mean. At the same time, he's met Fitz and knows that he's facing a super heavy weight, intellectually and in terms of real-world street smarts.

I wouldn't want to be Bob Woodward.

let's get into the detail of what she worked on if it's all so fucking laughable, what were Plame's specific duties and don't try to hide behind this all needs to be protected for national security reasons. Her fucking cover was blown. So what was fucking blown. ha ha ha mother fucker, we're all laughing our fucking heads off

Woodward you pathetic fucking asshole piece of shit slime