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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:18 PM
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GAO Report Uphold Ohio Vote Fraud Claims!
http://rockrivertimes.com/index.pl?cmd=viewstory&id=11529

"The agency's agreement with what have been brushed aside as "conspiracy theories" adds even more weight to the conclusion that the Bush regime has no business in the White House whatever."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:22 PM
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1. A small town paper is doing a better job than the New York Times!
Recommended.

God, I love America!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:27 PM
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2. Yep! and me too!
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Crux of the Biscuit Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:34 PM
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3. Save Ohio, Fire Kenneth Blackwell
This has got to stop. I love this state but the corruption is trying my patience these days...
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:59 PM
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15. Welcome to DU, CB -- I tried to help fire him, but
he stole the election in which Issue #5 would have put a bipartisan board in charge of Ohio State Elections.

For more information visit here: Has American Democracy died an electronic death in Ohio 2005's referenda defeats?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman / November 11, 2005>
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 02:30 PM
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22. Hi Crux of the Biscuit!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:36 PM
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4. Well, the nay-sayers who accuse everyone of "tin-foilatry" had
better get some crow seasoning, because a big dish of it is coming up... This is more of the "Emperor has no clothes syndrome" at work in the corporate media; they can't report this because then what would happen to all of their power?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:57 PM
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6. To be fair, the GAO report shows security issues, not fraud.
I don't think anybody here claimed that the machines were secure. They just didn't see evidence of tampering. The GAO didn't say that it saw evidence of tampering, either.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:19 PM
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7. True. But it still upholds the claims.
And gives fuel for further investigations rather than relaying the too common message: "Buzz-off, crackpot!" :-)

Is it actually the GAO's role to make accusations? I ask because I really don't know.

Are they more about taking accounts rather than indicting directly?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:41 PM
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9. Agreed, but again, I don't recall many people taking issue with the idea
that the machines were easily tampered with...they just didn't see evidence of actual tampering. I think this report will help increase awareness with the general public, but most DUers already believed what the GAO claims.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:05 PM
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10. Does the proprietary code keep us from finding out?
Maybe we can take the gao report as a go ahead. We can't see evidence if we/they are not allowed in to investigate because of corporate laws.

Isn't some of the code actually wiped out at some point?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:45 PM
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13. No idea.
It's possible, I suppose, that ALL of the software operations are erased at some point in the process. I have no idea if there's any evidence left after the results are tabulated.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:48 PM
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14. They just didn't see evidence of tampering
That's 'cause the machines are designed to not leave any evidence of
tampering.

Given that the election results from such machines are inherently
untrustworthy, leaving the legitimacy of the election winners in
question, why would anybody agree to install such machines? The only
reason to accept these machines is if you want to cheat.

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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:41 PM
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5. Can't believe that this isn't making bigger news
then again look who is running the show. Nominated
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:23 PM
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8. kick
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:11 PM
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11. WHY ARENT OUR DEM (DAMN) LEADERS SCREAMING THIS OUT

TO THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS!!!!!

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:15 PM
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12. Maybe they haven't read it. They never read anything. Think
that they are illiterate.
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pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 12:33 PM
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20. Yeah, why aren't they going after this for all its worth WE WON
and the Republicans LOST in 2004 !!! The mainstream news is worthless except as a WH mouthpiece. Our Congress is worthless except as a WH mouthpiece.

In plain sight, our election systems were compromised with vendors who won't reveal voting machine source code. The HAVA Act didn't protect our election systems, it merely funded State purchases for these vendors.

Why don't the DEMS make hay on this issue?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:26 PM
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16. Simply outstanding post! Notice how DUers want election integrity.

That's so abundantly clear. There is a consensus here:

Let me vote, be sure my vote is counted correctly, and allow all the others out there who want to vote to do the same.

This is not rocket science. The bright light of publicity makes the case -- clean elections, free and fair voting and counting, let the people choose.

GAO is a serious organization. They're like good accountants (many are): they're not going to lie when they are doing their job. If an honest assessment hurts, get ready for the pain.

Thanks for this post.
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:41 PM
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17. thanks for posting
Here's a summary guide to the GAO report on electronic voting and vote-counting systems for those who haven't read it yet
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf

As of yet, the non-partisan report issued by the US Government Accountability Office to the Congressional Committees on Government Reform and on the Judiciary in late October 2005 has received little media attention. Yet the implications of the well researched and carefully worded 107-pg.-long document for our elections are ominous. The electronic voting and vote-counting systems currently in place are neither secure, nor reliable. Their numerous weaknesses and vulnerabilities “have the potential to affect election outcomes,” the GAO report warns. (p.53)
On October 29, 2002, the Congressional Help America Vote Act (HAVA) funded the purchase of electronic voting technology. By August 31, 2005, a total of $2,5 billion had been disbursed to purchase new electronic voting systems. In the 2004 elections 35% of US voters used optical scan systems and 29% cast their votes into direct recording electronic systems.
HAVA also required that states meet federally mandated improvements in voting standards. (p.19) It established the Election Assistance Commission (EAC) in order to adopt “voluntary systems guidelines,” to manage a “national program to testing, certification, decertification, and recertification” of voting systems and to maintain a clearinghouse of information on voting systems administration. The EAC was to be appointed 120 days after HAVA was enacted. It took the President a whole year to appoint the 4 EAC commissioners, who began their work in January 2004 after their Senate confirmation. Sadly, the commission received only $1.2 million in funding for its important work in fiscal year 2004 and $14 million in 2005. (p. 20)
Thus, electronic voting systems were purchased and put in place across the country prior to updating and implementing national standards for ensuring the security and reliability of the new technology. The current security provisions are vague and incomplete. The voluntary status of the guidelines also leaves states “free to adopt them in whole or part, or reject them entirely.” (p. 32)
The central part of the GAO report (pp. 25-38) highlights the security weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the electronic voting systems currently in place:
• Data files containing cast votes are not encrypted to protect them from being viewed and modified.
• Other computer programs can access cast votes and alter them without the system recording this action in its audit logs.
• Some ballot definition files can be altered on some models so that votes shown on the touch screen for one candidate could be counted for another candidate.
• A regional vote tabulation computer could be accessed via a modem connection.
• Using altered memory cards an optical scan system could be accessed and modified without leaving any record in the audit log.
• Security examinations revealed inadequate password protections, including easily guessed passwords, or IDs usable by all supervisors.
• Smart cards or memory cards are not secured on some voting systems, making them easily accessible to vote multiple times, change vote totals and produce false election results.
• Reliance on telecommunications or networking services, including wireless communication, exposes electronic voting data to risk of intrusion.
• Since requirements for source code information is inadequate, source code may contain hidden (and potentially malicious) functionality.
• Current tests assess functionality, while security flaws can escape testing.
• System failures and malfunctions during elections have led to polling place disruptions, disenfranchised voters and vote-counting errors.
• Poor version control of software made installation of uncertified software possible in California and Indiana.
Although there is no consensus about the pervasiveness of the problems uncovered in various locations, if the security weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the electronic systems currently in place are exploited, “changes in election results could go undetected,” the GAO report concludes. (p. 38) There is evidence that these weaknesses and vulnerabilities “have caused problems with recent elections, resulting in the loss and miscount of votes.” (p. 38)
In its conclusion, the GAO report states that national initiatives are under way to improve voting system security and reliability, but it also warns that “important initiatives are unlikely to affect the 2006 elections, due, at least in part, to delays in appointment of EAC commissioners and in funding the commission.” (p. 52) Until then, the voting systems that many state and local jurisdictions rely on for their elections, do not deserve the trust placed in them by the electorate.
For questions about matters discussed in the GAO report, please contact David Powner at (202) 512-9286 or at pownerd@gao.gov or Randolph Hite at (202) 512-3439 or at hiter@gao.gov (p. 57)
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf


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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 06:43 AM
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18. kick
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 09:56 AM
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19. and one more time for tenacity!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 01:49 PM
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21. An' anudder!
I love that piece of writing.

And Freedomfries' summary is a terrific bonus!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 04:23 PM
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23. Thanks Kurovski!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 09:16 PM
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24. Scuse me while I talk to myself!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:38 AM
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25. Well, you just go right ahead, sir!
It's a free country.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 01:47 PM
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26. Kick for week-enders. (nt)
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 02:28 PM
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27. bi-partisan H.R. 550 co-sponsors cite GAO report to House colleagues
Check Rush Holt's letter on bradblog, using the GAO report to back up the best election reform bill around, H.H.550. His "Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act" now bi-partisan, has 160 co-sponsors. Let's help move it forward!
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002037.htm
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 02:38 PM
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28. Good article. Thanks for posting.
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 04:41 PM
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29. thanks Vidar
This is the link to ask Congresspeople to co-sponsor H.R. 550:
http://www.demaction.org/dia/organizations/vevo/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=1353
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