McClellan: Murtha = Michael Moore (breaking from WH traveling in Asia)

Just breaking on CNN

"It's baffling" that Murtha would align with Michael Moore in opposition to the war.

are they serious?

If the WH can't have a real person come out and say it to the press, then why repeat it?

What ever happened to "we asked Scott McClellan to comment, and he wouldn't respond?"

The media just reports it. The media doesn't "let" the WH release statements.

And why oh why do I have to share a name with that piece of shit. McClellan that is, not Murtha. At least I only got one C so I can prove I'm not related.

Just breaking on DU

black heart must be about ready to explode, I gather he didn't like Murtha's speech?

Man oh man! He is one ugly lookin' son of a *#&$@! He was sneering and grimacing all the way through his evil little speech. Does he really think that's the way to get his poll numbers back up? It is not just scary to know he has so much power, it is downright terrifying.

If he thinks painting Murtha with "the Michael Moore brush" is going to take the wind out of his sails, they are DEAD WRONG.

That's the official WH response? OMFG!

Oh shit.

Somehow I think Murtha's gonna storm the fucking WH himself now

retiring as a Colonel!

could be right!

So they try to equate a decorated Vietnam war hero with Michael Moore?

Can we all say "credibility" in the White House??

the White House!

Can't wait to see the whole thing.

Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak:


STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY

Congressman Murtha is a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a strong America. So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party. The eve of an historic democratic election in Iraq is not the time to surrender to the terrorists. After seeing his statement, we remain baffled -- nowhere does he explain how retreating from Iraq makes America safer.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/11/20051117-7.html

He said our troops were nothing more than targets, so let's get them off the shooting range. Sounds like a way to make America and Americans safer.

Bill

Get it??

It's the EXTREME LIBERAL WING of the Democratic Party that's talking sense... er, taking these wild, thoughtless, unacceptable, un-American policy positions.

So y'all should take that into account. All the OTHER Democrats who AREN'T part of the "extreme liberal wing" think things are just ducky!


All two of them.

This is so pathetically transparent it's funny.

mirthfully,
Bright

nowhere did you explain how invading Iraq would make America safer.

I thought MM was an independent?

maybe we should focus on how the Saudis have bought out many of the politicians in D.C. and how we are now fighting wars for them to support their lavish lifestyles. Just a suggestion.

And that way it leaves Is rael out of the discussion.

our "dear" white "phosphorous" Antichrist! :sarcasm:

Yeah... Apparantly, ** just can't stop kissin' them and hold their 'bloodied' hands...

Yuck. :evilgrin:

to further build support for the war, but the underlying motives have mainly to do with money, greed, and protection of oil assets, which is actually putting Israel at risk. We surrendered to the Saudis (who's funding was responsible for 9/11) once we started the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

they have no clue how this sounds to the American people. This is so outrageous. A man comes back from Vietnam, dedicates his life to public service, and they treat him like sh*t for saying what needs to be said. I would not be surprised if Bush is at 30% by Saturday.

I suspect he's not surprised by this.

a war hero because he didn't lose both legs and an arm IN COMBAT.
I'd like to hear her say that about the tens of thousands of US troops maimed in this war by IEDs, NOT in combat.
True colors are showing...

Clelend, McCain, Kerry - that's 3. Sorry Bushco, but the Swiftboating Genie has satisfied his obligation to you - no further swiftboatings remain on your account...

Now comes the fun part of the fable - all 3 wishes go horribly wrong, and the greedy boy is left lamenting the day he discovered the lamp.

Sick 'em, Murtha!

:nuke:

:bounce:

DemEx

you know they have nowhere to go but down. Their true-blue, neo-con bushbots might believe this analogy but any thinking American can see it for what it truly is: a desperate statement from desperate men.
The White House isn't going to win anyone back to their camp with horse-shit like this, that's for sure.

ass for all to see. Fabulous.

everyday. I guess they think "Michael Moore" is about the worse they can say about a person to discredit them since he has been tagged by the right-wing media...?

This will backfire on Shrub big time. I get the feeling Murtha isn't afraid of being swiftboated by these thugs. What a bunch of craven assholes.

one who made that documentary "Farenheit 9/11" that busted bush and sold millions of tickets? }(

Dear God, these clowns have really hit rock bottom. Not a shred of decency or honor in the entire bunch. As if they couldn't go any lower. :mad:

Here's Representative John Murtha, a deeply respected Member of Congress (and a renowned hawk), with a 37-year-long record in the Marine Corps, a Vietnam War veteran, who has served the people of the 12th District of Pennsylvania proudly and without a hint of scandal. He delivers a powerful, emotional, common-sense speech, laying out all the reasons why we need to get out of Iraq, and this despicable, conniving cabal trivializes it by pandering to their base and playing politics.

Talk about an act of desperation. This "response" is just absolutely sickening and revolting to anybody with a brain, a conscience and a scintilla of emotions.

Moore is like a prophet compared to this bunch ??

Bush is completely misreading the polls and reacting without thinking. Murtha is not reflecting the view of Moore or the views of democratic party "extremists." Murtha is reflecting the views of mainstream America. When you start calling the majority of Americans "extremist" you are alienating yourself from the majority of Americans.

Can't wait to hear what Michael Moore will have to say!

I particularly like this line from Murtha's speech: ""The war in Iraq is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS WAY AHEAD OF US. "

That's THE AMERICAN PUBLIC you're smearing, Scottie!

on Snotty Scotty and the WH after this. You don't mess with a guy who spent 37 years in the Marines.

http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/Story+Image_thumb_michael-moore_3.jpg

It pissed me off so badly, I resolved to be a McGovern delegate, and did just that. I was freshly out of my tours of duty, and enraged that a war veteran like McGovern, who flew many bombing missions in WWII, was being treated so poorly. And who were his critics?

Nixon? Another paper tiger who hid out during the war with a Dick Cheney like job in the Navy.

Hagel, McCain, Kerrey, Murka ... these guys need ball boys to carry their nuts around, but they have to be castigated by the likes of Bush, Cheney, McClellan, et al., none of whom could acquit himself in a fist fight with a 9 year old girl.

on Disrali and are chanelling British poets. Run for the hills!

of napping, slobbering, slouching, lying, dozing, and going to the bathroom to blame Dems for his disaster in Iraq.

pathetic and overreaching is this statement. This is really all they have now, comparing a 30 year Congressman and a war veteran to MM.

I think Puffy McMoon face has just stepped in a shiny pile of dog poo. This swiftboating thing is getting really old, really fast.

When McClellan slams Michael Moore - someone who has done extensive research on politics and war, communicates regularly with the troops to see what they need and how things are going, and tries to let us know how this war is hurting us all - I know the Bush administration's plan for our country and the world is pure evil. Their feeble attempts at trying to refocus the public's attention off Bush and on to Michael Moore is laughable.

Moore never send people out to die for a lie.

If anyone compared me to Moore, I would be honored.

I don't think it's enough anymore, guys. Better start coming up with something new. Or better yet, stick with it and watch it fail.

What a short, poorly written statement this is. Did McClellan let some thirteen year-old play with his computer, or is he writing in anger, or is he just as stupid as his boss?

d. all of the above

The great "Rove attack machine" is reduced to this type of sophomoric drivel? :puke: The mighty bush propaganda wurlitzer is in need of some repair, all the notes are coming out flat.

But it won't play to the majority of moderate Americans. It'll just seem petulant.

By the way, Welcome to DU!

:hi:
:bounce:

...before this week, but he's now become one of my heroes. Obviously a man of great courage and dedication to our 'once great' Country and particularly to the men and women that serve in our armed forces. He has come to the end of his rope where this damn war is concerned and the callous disregard for our dear servicemen/women that the bush administration has demonstrated from the beginning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/18/politics/18military.html

When asked about Mr. Cheney's remarks on Wednesday, Mr. Murtha replied sarcastically: "I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."

In the Vietnam era, Mr. Cheney had five deferments and did not serve in the military.

:patriot:

How retreateing would make America safer? If they could explain how staying makes America safer, I would actually listen to the BS they spew for more than a microsecond.

so we don't have to fight them here. :eyes: Or some bullshit like that. That's what they'd have us believe anyway. If their oil was already here there wouldn't be a need for us to be fighting over there. That's it! We're fighting for their oil there because it isn't here! :think: Hey, it makes about as much sense as their statement, at least mine is truthful. :shrug:

Hopefully, the rest of the sheeple will understand that, too!

Progressive Values are Mainstream Values.
The "littlest liar" is just throwing dust in the air so we don't notice the new grand jury, the dems real plan for success, etc, etc, etc

We need more leaders like Jack Murtha

do these people listen? Murtha's proposal called for redeployment. He brought up many credible ideas to stay (in Kuwait & possibly Japan) to help against terrorist outbreaks if necessary. It is frickin' ridiculous for the jack asses to characterize this proposal as "cut & run" & "surrender". He also brought up very logical and state recognized arguments that terrorism has increased since we invaded & that terrorists might be less likely to attack patrols if Americans were not a part of them. Some jackass RW senator for California said we cannot leave until the Iraqis are able to protect their government. We can't even do that with all of our troops there. Iraqi government officials are killed on our watch almost everyday. Everyday I witness what is going on in the government I'm more depressed that these folks are not only ignorant, but also arrogant & the combination of the two is maddening.

When they try to equate Michael Moore to Congressman Murtha we should applaud and repeat it over and over. Because what they are doing is expanding the spectrum they paint as their enemy. When regular non-political folks hear that someone as well-respected as Murtha is being called a "terrist supporter", they are disgusted and appalled.


These idiots are truly painting themselves into a corner. I say let's give them more paint as they increase the size of the brush.

The White House is melting down. Good. I'm sorry, but it has to happen. Cleansed by burning. America shouldn't have to go through this, but after letting *'s thugs take us as far as they did there's no other way. I dig Michael Moore, but in the thug lexicon aligning Murtha with Moore is one step removed from calling him a Nazi. "Have you no shame, Scotty?"

But then again. he agreed with Moore too so I guess he doesn't count.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2259790

:banghead: Um, oh yeah, nevermind.

with * out of the country, busy "presidentin' & diplomatin'", & "blameless" as "heck", they're trying to provoke an "outrageous" response from MM, and use it to tar THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

good luck with that. what a transparent strategy. the Rove well is dry.

visit to read moore's measured, "political" response:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Did you see how plain old pissed off Murtha was during that press conference? This has to have been simmering in his head for awhile.

Side note: John Kerry is on the radio (NPR) refuting Bush claims of they-saw-same-intelligence crap.

Per JK:
1. intelligence shown the Senate was incomplete,
2. Senate vote did not necessitate war,
3. inspectors were not given a chance,
4. Murtha a great Congressman, expert on defense.

I got to see him talk on cspan and his words made me weep with joy! Fantastic!

action along with riveting discussions that leave us in danger of total annihilation or will it be our salvation?...

He said, she said, dint miss this heart stopping motion picture that will leave one dangling in the edge of their seats as the War of the Words comes to an exciting climax never before witnessed in movie goers history...

Playing in a theater near you, is the end of civilized society a foregone conclusion?

A political junkie movie goers delight...

They truly are in '04 campaign mode. I guess if it worked the first time and it's the only strategy you can have.

LookManLook

is campaign!
Its all smoke and mirrors, and photo-ops and fake turkeys and "Mission Accomplished" banners. And 2 1/2 years later, they are still trying to sell this war to the American People.

Ted Kennedy yesterday responding to the claim that the war is somehow the fault of the minority party.

A brief report on Murtha (a two time recipient of the Purple Heart) revealed that he was visiting a comatose man who was injured by friendly fire and so was not eligible for a Purple Heart.

The young man's father stood by his son's bedside, stroking his hand. Murtha said to the father: "if they don't give him the Purple Heart, I'll give him one of mine."

Go and tell everyone that Murtha is the same as Michael Moore. Go on now. Type up your e-mail messages and send them to all your friends. Don't know what I'm saying, you say? For once, you are only playing dumb. We know your standard procedure: use e-mail to send out fake messages to all your "friends" and relatives to get the word out that Murtha didn't get those Purple Crosses.

Oh yeah, make sure that you don't forget to smear other aspects of his character. We're sure that you'll come up with a doozy, like saying that he only retired from the Marines with the sole purpose of getting into political office. Maybe you'll get a juicy one and say that he spent some of his career in the reserves, so that a real Marine.

C'mon, we know you're salivating at the chance to flood other forums out there and in the process try to refine your line of bull. Maybe McClellan gave you the idea. Maybe he got it from you. Tit for tat after all. I'm sure that you'll try and press your message forth and get it out to the right-wing radio show hosts. You might even get so far as to get it sent out to Fox News. After all, it worked with that lie about Al Gore claiming to invent the internet (even though he was given a Webby award for his accomplishments with regards to the internet that you used to smear him). It also worked with the
"Swift-Boating" of John Kerry last year although people started catching on to what you were doing.

You might end up believing it after you're done. You might not. It doesn't matter because you're lying for George W. Bush and therefore you are serving God as far as you're concerned, right? Right?

that Dems' in the States are starting to speak out passionately on this farce.

If ANYONE ever put me on one side of an equal sign and Michael Moore on the other I'd be so flattered I'd probably need to change my pants in a good way.

MICHAEL MOORE FOR PRESIDENT.

You regressives want something to cry about, we'll give you something to cry about.

Sorry, George, I'm In the Majority ...
11/19/05

Dear Mr. Bush:

I would like to extend my hand and invite you to join us, the mainstream American majority. We, the people -- that's the majority of the people -- share these majority opinions:

1. Going to war was a mistake -- a big mistake. (link)

2. You and your administration misled us into this war. (link)

3. We want the war ended and our troops brought home. (link)

4. We don't trust you. (link)

Now, I know this is a bitter pill to swallow. Iraq was going to be your great legacy. Now, it's just your legacy. It didn't have to end up this way.

This week, when Republicans and conservative Democrats started jumping ship, you lashed out at them. You thought the most damning thing you could say to them was that they were "endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party." I mean, is that the best you can do to persuade them to stick with you -- compare them to me? You gotta come up with a better villain. For heaven's sakes, you had a hundred-plus million other Americans who think the same way I do -- and you could have picked on any one of them!

But hey, why not cut out the name-calling and the smearing and just do the obvious thing: Come join the majority! Be one of us, your fellow Americans! Is it really that hard? Is there really any other choice? George, take a walk on the wild side!

Your loyal representative from the majority,

Michael Moore

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=188

will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."

-Adolf Hitler

Repug's don't like being compared to Nazi propagandists, but they refuse to stop using their tactics.

"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush