John In D.C. @ AmericaBlog isn't happy with Kerry

John Kerry Undercuts Murtha. http://americablog.blogspot.com

He did not come out to undercut Murtha, so that was BAD REPORTING. He was scheduled YESTERDAY to discuss his own plan.

Wolf tried to bait it into a Murtha-Kerry fight, but Kerry and Murtha are closer together on their plans than ANY other two plans.

Kerry contrasted Murtha's plan with his own which even Tom Hayden said was a DOABLE plan.

IIRC Kerry said, regarding Murtha's proposal, "I respectfully disagree".

He was responding to a direct question.

I'm not in total agreement with everything Kerry has said regarding the war but I don't find his overall position to be lacking in logic or integrity.

Bushco has consistently acted reprehensibly in its oversimplifications regarding the war.

I'm not pleased that AmericaBlog is, to even a small degree, emulating that approach.

Of course there are nuances to Kerry's position. Thanks to our cursed MSM having a nuanced position is a liability in a candidate.

We need to move past our tendency to form circular firing squads.

It's BULLSHIT that people are trying to twist what was said into a deathmatch between them.

Kerry submitted his withdrawal plan 3 weeks ago and again in the senate last week. THAT was what he wanted to talk about. Then media started focusing on Murtha's plan today when Kerry was already scheduled to talk about his plan.

Invite them on to talk about one thing but oops switch it to something else.

in concert with another major blogger who was paid by the Dean campaign and hasn't been able to let the 2004 primaries r.i.p., so I assumed they were just all of the same cloth.

That is why I won't visit Americablog for any reason.

He did not undercut. I'm not sure I want Kerry to even run let alone vote for him. There is enough room for both opinions. I like Murtha's plan better but I do not dislike Kerry because he wants to go in another direction. Kerry is a good and decent person. I can disagree with him and still respect him.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Oh, and he had to point out that he "said it was a mistake before John Edwards did."

Blah, blah, blah

Same old J(ust) F(or) K(erry)

back at ya

blah!

his successes?

I don't think he should run away from that. He was right about the abandonment of our troops at Tora Bora and letting Usama bin Laden escape. That was a bad thing, as it was a bad thing to abandon the legitimate effort to go after the Islamic extremists in Afghanistan in favor of the war of choice in Iraq.

This was a good interview. I don't see how it undercut Cong. Murtha. I think it showed some Democratic unity. The object is not to glorify Kerry or Murtha or anyone else. The object is to build support for getting out of Iraq. Sen. Kerry has to go through more questions to get there and go through more baggage that is left over from last year. But it should be a good and welcome thing to have more and more Democrats singing off the same page. It reinforces the notion that we need to make plans to get out of Iraq and get serious about a political solution for that country.

Democrats are not fighting each other on this. Kerry's comments lent support and understanding to Murtha's comments, as they should. We need to support each other. It would also be really nice if a few Republicans came over and did the same thing. That way, we might just start to withdraw from IRaq. (Isn't tht the point?)

spread and credit not given when it is due,and the media being of no help, I don't blame him for sticking up for himself. It's time people actually saw how correct and accurate he really has been on the issues and the points he made during his campaign. You wouldn't help him would you? You just continue to enjoy basking in and contributing to the lies.

of information/understanding before the election. Kerry was illustrating that he had pointed out these things, like the Tora Bora debacle, but it didn't get through to people.

It wasn't gratuitous self-aggrrandizement as you seem to be suggesting. I'm sure many people can come up with their own ideas of how Kerry could have answered the question "better" but for crying out loud, it was an interview and he was answering the question.

Kerry was the 2004 Dem presidential nominee and every once in a while he actually talks to a reporter. Get over it.

I think he should forget it.

He didn't want to count the votes the last time. Why bother voting for him again?

and this is a problem? I don't see the problem. Atleast both want to get the guys out someday.

Lets look at bush's plan, oh there is none. A never ending war. Thats a problem !

We don't have them over here fixing ours, do we?

Are they here settling differences between the Conservatives and the Democrats?

NO! In fact, this war is making OUR war between the states worse!

TIME TO LEAVE. LET IRAQ HANDLE ITS OWN AFFAIRS AND ITS OWN RESOURCES.

This "war" WASN'T OURS TO BEGIN WITH! WE INVADED, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

We were supposed to be "helping them", REMEMBER?

Not dumping white phosphorus on them and running torture chambers!!!

heartless, I don't want to turn out like you.

I think it is cruel and heartless to stay there and wreck havoc on these poor souls.

I agree with Murtha. We're causing problems over there, not solving them.

:sarcasm:

shameless cut and paste of my post in the other thread about this.

Kerry called Murtha's timeline "precipitous", in his opinion, but didn't disagree with the need for a timeline on a military exit. Nor did he disagree with a military exit. He supports an exit timeline.

In fact, he praised Rep. Murtha for his comments, said he understood where he's coming from and noted the frustration among all Democrats in Congress with the Administration's failure to put forth any exit plan at all.

Reading Rep. Murtha's comments from earlier today, I noted that he mentioned an exit consistent with troop safety. That's a reasoned position from someone familiar with the steps it takes to pull out troops from a war zone. That's his timeline.

Surely, given that we have a united call from Democrats across the spectrum of the party for a military exit, some leeway could be afforded for discussion of what the exit timeline means.

I was awed by Rep. Murtha's speech today. I don't think Sen. Kerry's comments tonight undermined Murtha at all.

(aside) How many of us thought, six months ago, that we'd be hearing "exit from Iraq" discussed on nightly news shows???

in his position. The fuckers who aren't with him are parsing the tea leaves so that they don't actually have to take a position that might have some integrity. Kerry saying his disagreed with Murtha, no matter how own position, is tea reading to me. Also, his assertion that he said he was wrong about Iraq before Edwards sounded petty.

I found myself getting tired just listening to him.

when Kerry presented his own plan 3 weeks ago, and was already scheduled to discuss it on these shows?

btw, Kerry wants to bring the troops home. Murhta apparently wants to "re-deploy" the troops "near" Iraq so that they are available as a "quiick reaction force." Hmmm.... how soon would they be called on to quell the Iraqi civil war? And in any case, which "nearby" country (i.e. Middle East) will be willing to host a large number of American troops?

As I have said elsewhere, I think Murtha's speech was honest and heartfelt, and I respect his change of heart about the war. But I have some concern with the details of his plan. I think Kerry's is tactically and strategically better, will save more lives in the long run, and has a far better chance of being adopted.

I can't see why in the world Kerry should have tossed his own plan aside to sign on to Murtha's. That would make zero sense.

plan knowing it will push some Republicans towards accepting Kerry's withdrawal plan as a compromise?

Murtha and Kerry have worked closely together before. They may also have been together in Iraq recently.


check out this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5388840&mesg_id=5388840

He's not what we need.

What do you feel he does? I feel he wasted my money and my time that I took off work to work on his campaign. If I could think of one thing he's doing good nowadays, maybe I'd feel less abused by him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2255832
For one particularly look at:
Accountability on secret prisons amendment
passed 82-9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2240639&mesg_id=2240639

Also a quick look at Thomas found SA 2216, passed by voice vote on 10/27/05, which adds an important data security clause for electronic health data systems. This is actually one of those big deal things that slips under the radar.

Recently he co-sponsored Obama's bill for voting rights.

Then there's these items that he got into the recent Defense Appropriations Act:
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=1187


I could go on - the list is very long - but I think you get the point.

...go to C-SPAN, click on Iraq and scroll down to listen to Kerry's speech.Don't skip the Q & A. BEFORE Edwards. (Even though I support JE, too!) :patriot:

William Pitt posted the entire speech before then. I wish some of these jerks would stop flaming Kerry when they dont know THE FACTS.

...share the info!;-)

CALLED OUT FOR WHAT IT IS, A LIE AND AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT A GOOD MAN BY SPINNING OR MANIFPULATING WHAT HE SAID.

The repukes are sinking, but it's so much fun to stay afloat and trash dems all day, week, month, year long. :sarcasm:

Surely there are other people who criticize Sen. Kerry loosely, shoot from lip on serious matters, and delight in displaying political immaturity who could be cited, instead of giving this particular individual star billing several times a day?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"