Great fun tonight on CSPAN

The House came back in live about an hour and a half ago. The repugs are apparently actually going to try to pass the reconciliation bill tonight. Despite what happened this afternoon. Despite having to pull this bill last week.

Tune in and watch the fireworks. Guaranteed to be entertaining. They started the rule around 9:30 PM ET and have a one hour rule debate to be followed by 2 hour debate on reconciliation itself.

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Got to go to bed soon, but will check some of it out, anyway.

bear (like she said she would) because it will be a late night.

A little background -- they've already gone through a point of order vote on a challenge raised by McDermott. Sander Levin got pretty hot about the whole procedure. The point of order failed on straight party line vote but, in the course of the vote, there were at least 6 defecting repugs and 3 Dem defectors.

Ray LaHood is in the chair, which he always is when things are expected to be hot. And, after the vote on the point of order, LaHood had to call out the groups "at the rear of the chamber on the majority side" for being out of order.

The hardliners must have won the debate in the repug caucus. And I guess Roy Blunt wants to play super high stakes today. Or maybe they're just willing to go down in flames and start blaming the Dems. That's what they do best.

or any of the 30somethingdems yet..... Hope we see them later.

cutting student aid is a very good recruiting tool

Cutting college aid = military recruiting

rationalize Idiocy.

one of those little tidbits of history that I think we all should remember

"whatever the outcome is tonight"

Wow!! The firebrand repugs really must have convinced the leadership to bring it to the floor and fight, even if they go down in flames. And, perhaps, the reason that the little repugs are baiting the Blue Dogs is to try to shake some of them into voting for reconciliation ... because they know that's the only way it passes.

This day has been AMAZING!

Did anyone count how many "lies" he accused the left of? How come they can say that but if we do, it's scandalous?????

http://www.dumpgarrett.com/

Why is Scott Garrett hiding from his record?
Garrett is anti-abortion even when a woman has been violently raped or is a victim of incest. 70% of people in our district have said that they are pro-choice. Garrett voted for the so-called "partial birth abortion" bill even though that procedure was only performed in extreme cases including threat to the life of the mother. - 10/02/03.


Against Women's Rights! The American Association of University Women gives Garrett a rating of 0. However, the extremist "Concerned Women for America" gives Garrett a rating of 100.

Enemy of the Environment! Environmental groups give Garrett a rating of 10 or less, the worst environmental record of any politician in America since such ratings were introduced in the 1970's.

Against Civil Rights! 2 of the 3 largest civil rights groups in America give Garrett a rating of 0.

Pro-Development and Against Wildlife! Wildlife groups give Garrett a rating of 11.

Far to the Right of New Jersey! The extremist right wing Christian Coalition gives Garrett a rating of 100. (0-100)

Against Education! The National Education Association gives Garrett a rating of 17.

Commitment to Middle East Peace? Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel (JPPI) gives Garrett a rating of minus 2 on a scale of minus 7 to plus 9.

Against a Woman's Right to Choose! NARAL and Planned Parenthood give Scott Garrett a rating of 0.

Pro Assault Weapons! The Brady Campaign to Stop Gun Violence gives Garrett a rating of 0. Against Working Families!

Every major labor union in America gives Scott Garrett a below 30 rating.

A pompous little blowhard. Damn, but I detest republiCons

as the "distinguished gentlelady from {Rochester}" -- don't remember the exact town. But this is a game that Hollywood Dave Dreier perfected. Gene Taylor (D-MS), in a debate after Katrina, really got under Dreier's skin by referring to him as the "gentleman from Hollywood."

Anyway, Putnam seems to want to model himself after Dreier. And don't forget that Putnam was with W on 9/11. He had just been elected and was traveling with bush on Air Force One that day.

Jeb Hensarling has taken $20,000 from Tom DeLay's ARMPAC. No surprise that Hensarling voted with Tom DeLay 92% of the time between Jan. 1 2004 and March 31 2005.

http://www.dccc.org/houseofscandal/members/JebHensarlingTX-5.html

He's the Blue Dog guy in the purple coat.

"You have abandoned fiscal responsibility and your way is not working."

On edit: He's outraged at $600 million in proposed cuts in foster care programs, having adopted two foster children himself.

apparently the blowhards won the debate in the repug caucus about whether to proceed and now they just seem to want to be egging on the fight. What's behind the attack on the Blue Dogs?

edited for clarity

"Howdy Doody nimrod"

Called Hensarling a "howdy-doody nimrod!"

Ha

he's so folksy. telling the young firebrands, "you are going to have to live with this. .... I can't believe you have the audacity...."

now people yelling in the chamber. turning up the heat. and david dreier enters the debate.

(gone are caps -- typing blind while i watch)

to pass these rules and do this

Marion Berry

to have their words taken down tonight?

Really, does anyone have a clue why these kids are going after the Blue Dogs?

These idiots have no idea how much they are helping us. All pissing of the Blue Dogs will do is secure unanimous Democratic votes like earlier today.

for their fiscal conservatism.

are showing the republicans who is boss

fiscally responsible Democrats v. the borrow and spend Republicans.

Did they really think they could goad the Blue Dogs to change their votes?

What dumb s@#ts!

anything else on TV right now. Nice job Dems.

"The hypocrisy of a party that squandered a surplus and then to come down here and lecture us..." on fiscal responsibility. He says that's why Democrats are mad.

Rep. David Scott D-Georgia

in history."

Rep. Melissa Bean - D

comparing the capitol to a fantasy world -- just pretended to make a mistake and called the Blue Dogs the "lap dogs."

This is all abt baiting them into voting for this bill. Ohmigod..... In days of old, this is when they would start beating each other. Oh, that was the Senate. :popcorn:

to address the fantasyland of this Mickey Mouse budget............

if the rule passes -- which is probably more than a little of an if -- there's still two hours of debate on the bill to come.

yes. they are only now debating the rule which will allow them to debate the bill. the rule allows for 2 hours of debate on the bill. so, if the rule passes, two more hours of debate (which, of course, will take longer than 2 hours to complete), followed by the vote which could last longer than the Medicare Rx drug vote which lasted 3 hours.....

It's going to be a long, long night.

So, folks, if you're inclined, recommend this for greatest so that others will be alerted and tune in.

who, in response to Murtha, was talking about his constituents, "Hmong refugees from Vietnam." Idiot!!! (The Hmong are Laotian refugees from our illegal and covert war there.) He proceeded to say that "all" of the parents of the soldiers who have died in Iraq want us to stay.

Call Cindy Sheehan!!!!

2002... all done in the last four years. No other administration in the history of this country has borrowed as much as this administration in the past four years.

Michael Moore engaged him on the topic of getting Congressional member's children to serve in the militray. He's the only one who took the time to listen to him.

it's a fact".

as much as this administration."

"What has happened over the past four years is unprecedented... By you the majority party and the White House."

Rep. John Tanner

We would have to borrow from China to defend Taiwan.

ah, if only the repugs recognized that there are facts in this world rather than just opinions.

grinning at your little retorts. :toast:

the debate on the rule is almost over. it will be interesting to see how many repugs bail on the rule.....

She's an idiot.

According to her article in the local paper a couple of weeks ago, Clinton is responsible for our higher heating bills this winter. Also, "liberals" do not want to lower the budget or else they would pass the wonderful budget-lowering plan she was pushing.

I've written to the TN Dem Party and begged them to make sure she's not unopposed in '06!! She's Frist's Mini-Me.

emdee

I hope, then, we can count on you to work like hell to kick her out in '06. She is first term, isn't she? She'll be vulnerable. Work like hell to get her out of there.

n/t

and got claps from the dems in the chamber.

the part time majority leader, as I recall....... He ain't been doing so well.

YAY!!!

in his bomber jacket..... I love Gene Taylor. I don't always agree with him but I do love him.

This guy is conservative but he's the real deal.

"The same Congress that voted to giving the wealthiest 1% of Americans tax breaks everytime.. are suddenly saying in the name of the poor folks who lost their housing, we have to hurt some to help everyone."

"Folks, this is insane."

"I remember a president who said he could cut taxes AND reduce the deficit."

"Don't tell me you're being fiscally responsible..." he says to Repugs.

Wow, what a moving speech! You in Mississippi must be proud!

Can't stomach the giveaways to the rich while others are sacrificing everything.

"I've got a kid who lost both legs in Iraq volunteering to work the phones and help victims of Katrina."

"The cruellest lie of all: The only way you can help people who have lost everything is by hurting somebody else."

Even Howdy Doody got knocked off his game by that one.

to bring some sense.

"The cruelest lie of all -- that the only way you can help people who've lost everything is by hurting someone else."

And little Adam Putnam is going to try to respond to that??? Piffle!

books.

my sister was on her way to bed so no more IM with her & my husband had a bad day at work so little enthusiasm from him for it. Glad I found some folks to share it with!

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But yes, he is a hell of a democrat. One of my favorite in the house.

protection of marriage! Also really pisses me off he voted to impeach Clinton 4 times! No doubt he is against choice too. Not my kind of representation at all. Shows how bad the repugs have gotten when someone like him is runs as a dem.

The guy hates everything democrats do, bashes us on our opinions and does with a annoying smirk as well.

It gets worse when he has power, when he's speaker pro tem espically when it's FY appropriation season in the house

jesusfuckingchrist.... no one has even seen this amendment apparently since she's having to read it!

And if I appear behind at times, I am. PVR. But I'll catch up with the vote.

the no's had it, they screamed the loudest and Lahood shoved it off.

Damn we need to control the house come election 2006.

will report back in a few minutes after I determine what's happened

There will be a vote on the bill itself later anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2258336&mesg_id=2258557

sorry, I should have posted with this line in the thread. too excited.
what can I say.... and now edited to get correct link.

Seriously pissing them off too.

I was like, W-T-F is going on? He was literally degrading every single Republican in the chamber.

and was kind of shocked at first but was really pleased that they are speaking up. I usually tune in late and miss all the fun but this time I saw the warning on DU and got it. He was right, everything he said was right and they don't handle it very well do they?

the fact that nearly all the faces we've seen tonight have been the young firebrands suggests the caucus may have really fractured in a meeting tonight after they lost the health and education budget bill.

Sorry that is mean.

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LaHood called a vote on the amendment and then a vote on the rule & he didn't really wait for anyone to ask for a recorded vote on the rule but certainly it didn't appear that any Dem was asking for a recorded vote either.

Probably falls under the category of the Dems wanting to keep their powder dry. Perhaps they talked to the on-the-fence repugs and they asked them not to call for a vote on the rule so that they wouldn't have to have their arms twisted twice.

Curious strategy, though.

Foreign Pawn Shoppe.

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That, and baiting the Blue Dems because, apparently, someone in the repug caucus thinks that belittling people is a good way to get them on your side.

did not know Iowa had Crackers.

He's comparing charles Dickens ghost of christmas to the Democrats plan

God do i hate republicans.

is really just too bizarre since the rules committee hasn't let the dems offer real amendments to anything for years.

bankrupt the country. U. S. is for US, the GOP."

the House - it went for Gore and Kerry.

I have a Repub house down the street with Nussle signs in their windows and they hand out the little bracelets with crosses at Halloween. What irony!

Maybe make your own sign, echoing Rangel--

Hey Nussle -- Which side are you on?

one yet.

:)

Jim Leach is actually my Congressman - one of the moderates who needs to lose in 2006 also. He is one of the GOP defectors, I'm sure.

I called his office to make it clear how I wanted him to vote on this fiasco of a bill.

one of the very few repugs who still gets a nod of respect from me.

is when he votes for Speaker and Majority Leadership.

Hastert, Delay, Blunt, etc..

The moderate Republicans need to be out just for that action.

Go Independent or Democratic OR lose!

These days you rarely do seem him doing much. He might be accomplishing more behind the scenes. But he's definitely not an inner-circle type.

And, in some ways, that does make it harder to respect him. He's not a lapdog but he votes like one much, much, much too often. (As do all repugs.)

I tuned in late. Just after Berry began to speak and never really got a grasp of what was being debated.

This is the bill that they pulled at the end of last week, after stripping ANWR from it, because they didn't think they had the votes. It was planned to come up tonight but, after the repugs lost the health & education budget bill, they went into recess and almost certainly had a caucus of some sort. It seems to me that the firebrands wanted the fight, wanted to show they are tough even if they lost the earlier budget vote. So they're back!!!! And my guess is the repug leadership doesn't know whether they have the votes or not. They're just rolling the dice. The baiting of the Blue Dogs is to try to get them to break ranks but I don't see that happening.

Is there a slew of moderates republicans that are likely to jump ship?

I went out to do errands this afternoon, figuring the budget vote would be easily passed, so that I could be home when this debate started. But I got home and saw that the health & education appropriations had gone down in flames.

Then this happened & I haven't had time to check out who voted no this afternoon. They would be your #1 suspects to vote no.

Hensarling "They want to bring back the death tax so that they have to visit the undertaker and the IRS on the same day." Ragin_Acadian says, "My sympathies go out to Paris Hilton (sort of.)"

We want to tax people because they fall in love.


I'm so ashamed.

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ragging on Jim Nussle for retiring: "you picked a fine time to leave us, Lucille."

Classic.....

"When people start looking for who did this, they'll be looking for the chairman. ...Nov 17 is going to be a historic day. ...Which side are you on? We're so proud on this side."

Rangel was just saying his farewells to mr.nussle and Thornberry bitches at him for not addressing his remarks to the chair.

The only thing Thornberry is for is doing Michael Mcdonald impressions.

he also alludes to the fact that "when the votes are taken tonight," there may not be enough to pass this.

:-) I'm behind you on PVR so I'll try to transcribe whatever it is that McDermott says that got you so excited.

The Hugh Series.... Hmmmmm..... Maybe we could just use that as shorthand for great House debates.

Don't ask the GOP. We want our tax cuts. You do it.

Matthew was referring to Jesus's speech to people. Jesus did not say, raise a bunch of taxes, create a thousand, hundred thousand page tax code, hire millions of government workers, build hundreds of big white fancy buildings, stick them in there, create a system, pass a bunch of mandates, regulations, all sorts of paperwork, measure your compassion in increases only to feed the hungry and naked. He said, YOU DO IT. As an individual. So don't measure compassion by government, measure it by what you are willing to do for the least of your brethren.

edited to add: the above is a faithful transciption of Nussle's comments, done by the miracle of PVR.

Whew!!!! Where did he get THAT bible????

to plain GOP single speak.

What is PVR and how do I get one? LOL.

PVR is personal video recorder ... it's like Tivo but it's on the receiver for the Dish satellite network which also carries good indie cable shows like Free Speech TV and WorldLink TV.

Anyway, I can delay and replay which is why I'm behind, always, when I watch CSPAN.

"here we are with the rubber stamp Congress again."

Talking about the rises in poverty, without health care, etc.

Didn't we learn anything from Katrina? ... The bill before us cuts everything that helps people on the bottom. We'll cut out everything that hurts the poor tonight and then tomorrow we'll give it all away to the people with more than a million dollars.

Listen, lady, you leave your kids at home and get out there and get a job. Mothers being sent to work without one thin dime in child support help. And you say no child left behind.

Don't you have any decency left over there at all???

No doubt, McDermott quoting Welch to McCarthy is what got tsuki all excited.

WHO WAS THE SNIDE ASSHOLE WHO LAUGHED AT HER? :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

what? 50 billion in cuts to balance 70 billion in Rich Man's tax cuts.

Put it on my grand kids credit card, that is if they survive.

I went to a march in Washington in March 2001 to protest the stolen election. Maybe 2000 showed up. But a sign that day has continued to haunt me: Just Because You Survive Bush Doesn't Mean Your Children Will. Seems so damned prescient.

of it. The most important issue facing American is a huge tax cut for the top 2%.

I am very proud to hear these speeches and see my representatives fight for me.

for seeing the fighting Dems.

Corporate media's too in bed with the Repugs to let a fighting Dem darken their doorways.

whenever I see people complaining abt Dems not fighting, I want to know if they ever watch CSPAN. Answer is usually no.

I just can't listen to them anymore.

He took off.

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:o :wow:

or does watching politics like this incite the same energy and excitement, entertainment, as those who watch sports? :bounce:

except well, what happens here affects the country and the world :)

of course, I've openly confessed to being a CSPAN junkie for years. I once had to replace my TV because the CSPAN logo was so completely burned into the screen it was distracting when you watched anything else.

Who is this little twirp, Patrick McHenry (R-NC) -- the repugs really are scraping the barrel, aren't they? And Spratt takes a nice little dig at him. ("You may be too young to remember...")

a con game where they increase the deficit while taking it from our children and the poorest.

I want a copy of Ed Markey's (D-MA) CON GAME.

I'm a peaceful person BUT I would have punched someone by now!:mad:

They are acting like the Democratic Party tonight.

good to see you! :hi:

Stay warm... :)

Repeal tax cuts for rich. End the fucking war. Make Corps pay taxes. THE DEMOCRATS HAD A PLAN UNDER CLINTON WHICH BUSH FVCKED UP.

YOU LYING SOB. YOU ASSHOLES HAVE FULL CONTROL AND HAVE RAISED DEFICITS!!! GO TO FUCKING HELL. THE ONLY AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RAISE TAXES ARE MILLIONAIRES.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

:grr: :grr:

They need to rebut what Mario Diaz Balart is saying.

and as for what the previous poster was saying, Pat Mchenry is a freshman rep from north carolina he is the youngest rep in the house(30) and tonight he is trying to make a name for himself

to reflect the tone of Rep. Goodlatte.
(funny name -- Good Latte, like one is at Starbucks or something!)

so many businesses and corporations SCREW the American worker?

Doesn't make sense.

under Big Dog.

it was not the largest tax increase in history.....

But then they lie with impunity.

it was in '93 with Al Gore casting the tie-breaking vote in the Senate and the House also passing it by one. (Making it easy for the repugs to say that every single Dem who voted for it was "the one" that passed it.)

But it was NOT the largest tax increase in history. That's just repug talking points. Can't provide you with a link and documentation on that right now but do some googling and you'll find the documentation.

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!1

the floor unless it was a sure thing to pass....unfortunately. BUT there is always HOPE!

because the firebrands forced them to do it. I think the leadership thinks it would be better to lose both at once (the health/education bill this aft & this reconciliation bill) if they're going to lose both ultimately.

I don't think the leadership is sure they have the votes. I think they just had their arms tied by a rebellion of the young turks ... who may well be really overreaching.

must be a new Dem talking point. I've heard it several times tonight. I like it.

called down a couple of times.

I'm sure they want as many people sleeping through it as possible and so it can miss the Friday newspapers.

her teddy bear.

:rofl:

that would be my guess. They started debating the rule a little after 9 PM ET -- 1 hr for that debate and 2 for the bill.

today, vote against them again.

The arm twisters will be out in full force tonight.

How long will the vote be held open? Who knows.

Will they turn the camera off on the Republican side of the House AGAIN? Maybe.

it doesn't look good, he has been one of the moderates.

name.

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He's pounding his fist in the air in time with the Republican gavel trying to hammer him down... :)

he does not care about what Thornberry or the gavel says cause he cares about the kids YEAH!