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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:20 PM
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Ca.'s Republican Sec. of State tryingto pull a fast one re: Diebold????
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Will_California_send_Diebold_packing_before_1118.html

On Monday, November 21st, California’s Voting System Panel (VSP) was slated to hold public hearings on whether to recertify Diebold TSX touchscreen machines. The California Election Protection Network (CEPN) issued a press release inviting concerned citizens to speak at the 10 a.m. hearing and attend a rally at Secretary of State Bruce McPherson’s office to encourage state officials to “send Diebold packing before Turkey Day.”

But when CEPN spokesperson Sherry Healy called to verify the hearing date and time, she received startling news. “I asked Bruce McDannold in the Secretary of State’s office if the hearing is still on for Monday,” she told Raw Story. “He said, 'You’re half right. The VSP has been disbanded.' I asked why. He said, 'I can’t speak for the Secretary of State.’”

According to Healy, McDannold stated that a stenographer and recording device would be on hand to record any public comments.

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But some have raised doubts about Freeman’s impartiality. “Is there not an inherent conflict of interest in the fact that the sole consultant the SOS uses is also on the NASED qualification board… that credentials Independent Testing Authorities, et cetera?” asked CEPN member Judy Holder, noting that Freeman helped persuade the panel to issue conditional certification for the TSX systems based on assurances that approvals from NASED and the ITAs would shortly be issued. The TSX systems were later d-ecertified by California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, a Democrat.



Beware, California. You might just be getting snookered.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:21 PM
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1. Thank you for keeping us apprised of this!
It's VERY important to watch this guy very closely until we get a duly elected Democratic SoS back in California.

Personally, I blame Kevin Shelley for this.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:28 PM
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2. I agree
I think he should have stood his ground. :wtf: Republicans don't resign when there's a scandal. In fact, they usually get promoted. I can't believe he resigned. He should have just said "screw em'" like the GOP does in the face of scandal. Now he's left us to the dogs.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:35 PM
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3. Not what I meant...
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 03:36 PM by woldnewton
I meant he should never have certified the recall in the first place.

It was Shmuckenegger that was putting constant, enormous pressure on Shelley to step down and replace him w/a Re-Puke hack that would start rigging elections if they couldn't win them fairly (which they nearly never can).
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:03 PM
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4. Too bad he succumbed to the Tuminator.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:27 PM
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7. Do you think this Re-PUKE...
SoS would certify the recall effort if Dr. Kenneth Matsumura (who shows evidence that many prominent Asian doctors are neither conservative nor default supporters of Republicans) succeeds in getting enough recall signatures in to get a special Total Recall, the sequel election up and running?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:20 PM
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5. his "allies" in Gov't were also screaming for his resignation
Democrats strike again, you'd think the recall would have been enough.
No, the Dems had to do more damage.
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:22 PM
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6. Did any of them stand to gain in some way?
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:32 PM
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11. See post number 8 below for more info on that.
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:33 PM by Amaryllis
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:27 PM
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8. See this before you are too quick to criticize Shelley for stepping down:
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:28 PM by Amaryllis

By a quick show of hands, how many of you know who Kevin Shelley is?
Nobody?! I guess I’m not too surprised. If you remember him at all, it’s probably only for the fact that he was rather quietly run out of office earlier this year with sordid allegations of scandal and corruption. The Los Angeles Times delivered the news on February 5, before quickly moving on to other things: “Secretary of State Kevin Shelley announced his resignation Friday, saying he could no longer adequately run California's elections office ... For months, he had been dogged by federal and state criminal inquiries and scathing audits of his financial management and treatment of employees.” (Tim Reiterman "Secretary of State Shelley Steps Down," Los Angeles Times, February 5, 2005)

No big deal, right? Just another corrupt politician getting what he had coming. No one is going to shed any tears over that. And so it was that no one came to his defense and no one lamented his political passing. No one in Sacramento, no one in the mainstream media, and no one in the alternative/progressive media. No one on the right and no one on the left. Shelley was cast aside without a hint of protest from anyone.

And that, my friends, is simply shameful. As it turns out, you see, Shelley wasn’t the bad guy in this story. The first tip-off, of course, is the fact that, as I may have just mentioned, no one came to his defense and no one lamented his political passing. Because if the entire corrupt media establishment and the entire corrupt political establishment are united against you, then it is a pretty safe bet that it isn’t because you yourself are corrupt.

It is hard to imagine that any level of corruption would cause either the media or the political elite in Washington or Sacramento to turn against one of their own. No, the reality is that when all of official Sacramento and every avenue of the media decide to bring down a formerly well-regarded politician, they haven’t all suddenly decided that it might be a good time to weed out corruption. To the contrary, they have likely decided to weed out those who might pose a challenge to the web of corruption that poses as a form of democratic government.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr75.html for the whole article.

You have to ask how long anyone can hold up with mounting legal fees and no support. Did you know he's been exonerated on all charges?
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:29 PM
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9. As I said, I criticize him...
not for stepping down, but certifying the S'election' that brought an idiot like Shmuckenegger to be the bane of California -- he and idiots who voted for him (many of whom now regret it -- duh, what did you expect??) should all hang their heads low in shame.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:31 PM
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10. But how much do you know on the history of that and how much choice did
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:32 PM by Amaryllis
he really have? What were his options? What would have happened had he not certified it and did he truly have that option?
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:41 PM
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23. I know that in his place...
the current Republican SoS would not certify the corresponding effort to recall the Shmuckenegger and it's doubtful the Dems would be able to force him to do so. They would simply say "He is not guilty of any 'recallable offenses' ". Shelley should have stuck to the same line.

That's all I need to know.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 10:38 PM
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21. Its hard to criticize him
They were going to "Davis" him , and punk ass Democratic senators went against him publically. I wrote letters to several.
Besides you end up saying" No job is worth this, certainly not my family"
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:21 PM
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13. I've thought for a while the LA Times was a right-wing rag.
Any paper worth the paper it's printed on would have looked further into the allegations.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:26 PM
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14. See this:
see this:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=i_team&id=3355280

Virtually NO MSM reported this:

The criminal complaint says Lee funneled $125,000 dollars from that grant into Shelley's campaign for secretary of state. He resigned amid this controversy and others, two months ago.

But State Attorney General Bill Lockyer says he's cleared Shelley of any wrongdoing in the Julie Lee matter. We caught up with Lockyer at a luncheon this afternoon in Berkeley.

Bill Lockyer, (D) California Attorney General: "Kevin Shelley was not a participant in this crime. He is absolutely innocent of any personal involvement in the crimes that Julie Lee committed."

Lockyer says even though Shelley's campaign got money from Julie Lee, he played no role in the crime. This is good news for Shelley, but he's not out of the woods yet. He's the subject of a federal investigation into his handling of $46 million dollars from the Help America Vote Act program.

(The charges about how he handled HAVA money were all dropped too.)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:51 PM
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16. yes, sad, sad, sad, but very slick move on the part of the
bought out "electioneer" establishment. This went into play about a day after he decided to decertify Diebold.

And as usual, the good guy, the progressive was brought down and discredited EVEN THO IT ULTIMATELY PROVED HE DID NO WRONG


This secretive club is who we are up against re getting trustworthy elctions back on the US.

Kevin Shelley is a good guy and a martyr to America.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:16 PM
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18. check this out. no wonder they went after him:
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:18 PM
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19. What a freedom-hating terrorist appeaser.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:45 PM
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26. The day he 'martyred' himself...
was not the day he decertifed Diebold, but the day he certified the 'Total Recall' S'election'.

And once again, not just California, but America has to suffer for the 'nice guy' posturing of the Dems.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:44 PM
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25. If there was no Shmuckenegger...
he couldn't have used his bully pulpit as Governor of California to put consistent, overwhelming, merciless pressure on Shelley to force him to resign.

It was not about what charges were or weren't baseless, it was about generating any controversy that would have forced Shelley to resign, something they couldn't have done if Shelley hadn't certified the 'Total Recall' S'election' in the first place.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:41 PM
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24. It is, very often.
They have a mad-on against Maxine Waters, for one thing.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:36 PM
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12. Lughead Arnie KNOWS he's going to lose, so he NEEDS DIEBOLD
Lughead Arnie saw the results of his Props last week...he freaked out and said to McPherson:

"Hey Bruce, I'm gonna LOSE next year, so QUICK get me some DIEBOLD magic."
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:41 PM
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15. See post number 8 below for more info on that.
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woldnewton Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:46 PM
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27. Of course...
but why couldn't the idiot Californians who voted for him in the first place see that coming?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:04 PM
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17. In Texas they shut us out of the hearings re E-Vote machines too
What's the latest on this issue?
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:12 PM
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20. I've not heard of that. Scary. And Diebold is circumventing N.C. laws now.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 01:09 AM
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22. Diebold doesn't care about the law...nor do their allies. nm
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:43 AM
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28. California Voting Machines Emergency?
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/11/california_voti.htm

Apparently the Republican Secretary of State in California may be stealthily REVERSING the previous Democratic Secretary of State's decertification of Diebold paperless voting machines! Raw Story and Brad Blog have stories about this (links below). Here's a summary: Democratic Secretary of State Shelley had decertified Diebold machines as dangerous to democracy. (He also sought to prosecute the company for lying to state officials.) Then, after the recall and Schwarzenegger's election Shelley was forced out of office on contrived charges, with a Republican appointed in his place. Now there is funny business going on and it looks like Diebold may be coming back. I tracked down a new document outlining requirements for voting machines, and the previous requirement that they produce paper ballot backups is NOT on the list.

more...

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