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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:59 PM
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Democrats who vote against Murtha's bill will PAY!!!!!!!!
In the primaries next year soooooo go ahead, you chicken shit mother fuckers.. We want you out of the party ANYWAY!
PS.. Think CAFTA vote..
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:01 PM
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1. That's right!
We need to get the message to the House. Now!

Peace.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:01 PM
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2. Murtha said REDEPLOY, not withdraw
Murtha's statements - bold emphasis mine

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec05/withdrawal_11-17.html

"I hope this is a watershed. I hope a lot of people think about what I've said and we can begin to withdraw our troops immediately from that area and put them on the horizon, or over the horizon, so if they have to they can go back in."

"This is an idea of how we can save lives, of how we can be on the periphery of Iraq and send troops back in, in case there is an increase in terrorism that we need to go back in."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17287351%255E663,00.html

"to immediately redeploy US troops consistent with the safety of US forces".

"With a US troop redeployment, the Iraqi security forces will be incentified to take control,"
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:07 PM
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5. Murtha's correct.
I was never, ever for this war, but now that we're there, we can't just pull out without a stop-gap for the terror that will be inflicted on the people of Iraq - terror WE created by starting this idiotic war.

We have to find the way the hell out of there that allows us to both keep the Iraqi civilians safe and keeps terrorists, like the Taliban in Afghanistan, from taking over the government and terrorizing the rest of the world with the spoils of their government.

God, I hate it that we're in this predicament. :grr:
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:42 PM
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23. That logic is based on a faulty assumption
That assumption is that our continued presence in Iraq creates a stop-gap for terror. It doesn't. It escalates the terror.

Our continued occupation of Iraq actively makes the problem worse every day.

Which is why we need to get out right now.

I used to be pottery barn philosophy right with you. But I've seen too much now to be that way at this point.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:02 PM
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3. The Republicans are washing their grubby little hands together
over this. Exactly the kind of divisiveness they were hoping for.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:07 PM
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4. I agree.
Let's not fall for the trap set by Hastert. This is a political stunt, nothing more. We shouldn't reward this kind of thing by turning against the people on our side.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:17 PM
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36. The debate is heating up, Ducan Hunter just got slammed,
I don't who's worse Hunter or Hastert. This is gonna go way into the night.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:08 PM
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6. do you even have any idea as to what is in this bill you wish all to vote
on?
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:13 PM
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8. Is it actually Murtha's bill?
I thought it would be a bill prepared by the Republicans to embarrass Murtha and other Democrats. Such a bill would simply put words into Murtha's mouth. When Murtha presents his own bill, that will be the time to call on Democrats to vote yea or nay.

Tonight, they should simply vote present.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:18 PM
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10. He said it was his bill sponsered only by him........
That's what he said yesterday!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:35 PM
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19. The bill that is getting voted was offered by the GOP leadership
along the lines of the Murtha proposition. Listen to the debate on CSPAN.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:23 PM
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12. Not true, this bill is in the hands of the GOP who are putting
thier own revisions in it right this very moment..

do you trust that bunch that much that you would have Dems vote on something that they will not have time to fully study?

Wording is everything...and this cabal has proven time and time again how much they love to play on words to benefit themselves.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:09 PM
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7. It's not that simple
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:10 PM by rox63
Most Dems (including Feingold and Kerry) are for a phased withdrawl and handover to the Iraqis, not an immediate pullout. So they may vote against Murtha's plan, even though they also want us out of Iraq. I agree with what people like Feingold and Kerry are proposing, not what Murtha's plan calls for.

Ducking to avoid flameballs sure to come my way... :hide:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:14 PM
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9. Murtha stated this am that he is for redeployment...
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:14 PM by fooj
He didn't say today!!!

Peace.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:20 PM
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11. Repukes are just desperate to divide us. Murtha is worried about
U.S. troops being targetted and cannon fodder. Others, like Kerry et all, worry that if Iraq is not left within a change of being stable on its own, we will all be back there in a few years in a much worse war.

Depends upon what you believe the outcome will be and if one more year or 6 months of training for Iraqis (and finally with both US & Iraqi troops enough troops to take a city and keep it for the first time in this War Mr. Rumsfield).

I think they are all worried about the same thing. How to not loose more soldiers.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:24 PM
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13. Here's an example of what we will hear if we back down NOW!
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 04:25 PM by Joanne98
Oh, the liberals, the cowards want to "cut and run from the terrorist" but they are too scared to even VOTE TO CUT AND RUN! HA HA!
If you want to be RIDICULED just vote against Murtha. Can you say "Yellow- bellied hypocrite"?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:26 PM
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14. The democrats (including Murtha) are trying to stop the vote
Say we need a real debate and not a political stunt.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:32 PM
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15. How hard is that for some durs to understand?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:33 PM
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16. NO! We need a real showdown! NOW! Vote yes on Murtha!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:34 PM
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17. Good - you know better than the person who proposed the bill.
Good for you.

Jim MvGovern, a staunt supporter of immediate withdrawal is leading the debate against having the vote. But you know better.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:42 PM
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21. Why is it wrong to stand up for what you believe for a change?
I can tell already I've lost this debate but the Dems credibility will suffer. The public doesn't understand these "chess" boards gamers. And they're tired of it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:46 PM
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24. Because the GOP is refusing the debate.
They dont want to debate. They want to pull a political stunt.

The fact that Dems will vote present is the best thing that can happen. If you mean there should be no NO vote, I agree with you, but it also must be made clear that we do not fall in the GOP trap.

This resolution is a trap by the GOP. We have to understand that.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:01 PM
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30. And because it is NOT the Murtha bill up for vote.

The Murtha bill calls for a timely redeployment to Kuwait.

The Republican bill calls for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. The Murtha bill is NOT being considered by the House at this moment, and knowing Republicans it never will be brought to a vote.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:03 PM
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31. Yes, that too
Waxman just said: this resolution is a fake.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:34 PM
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18. Are you NOT paying attention?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:40 PM
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20. Rangel on the floor now
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:42 PM
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22. you are right
instead, they should just abstain. Don't fall for this political stunt. Let the Repubs get hoisted by their own petard by recommitting themselves to this shitty war.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:48 PM
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25. Jane Harmon stands behind Murtha! yeah!
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:50 PM
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26. That's exactly what the repubs want.
Do that and you're guaranteeing that they retain control of the House.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:52 PM
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28. Yea, but it ain't going to work... Republicans stunt.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:52 PM
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27. The Dems forced the GOP to say Hunter introduced the resolution
It only includes immediate withdrawal, without any of the points that Murtha added.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 04:54 PM
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29. That was AWESOME. hahaahaha
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:07 PM
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33. Murtha can say the changes during the debate......
What's the problem?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:08 PM
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It cannot be amended
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:05 PM
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32. If Murtha is agaisnst this version of the bill, let him say so......
I want to hear from HIM!
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:08 PM
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34. Are you not watching the very heated exchange going on right now
on CSPAN? if your making you decisions based upon what cnn and company are saying, than you have sit back and quit going off until you have all the facts....

NO VOTE!!!!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:08 PM
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35. If you have access to CSPAN, watch it
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:17 PM
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37. Murtha on Hardball says he's against this bill.
I know the details but don't expect the Walmart shopper to see anything but COWARDS!. It's a win for the THUGS for the same reason. Dems are punks who can't stand up for their beliefs. It's just another day in the Democratic Party. THUGS win again. ACK!
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:19 PM
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38. "I don't know the details" here they are for you in ONE SENTENCE:
Thanks for those who explained it to me:

Its not his bill.

End of story.

This is hunters bill, and it is a sham stunt. Hunter introducted it and is voting against it. That = political stunt.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:25 PM
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39. So let me get this straight... The Dems are "punks" because...
...Republicons are "THUGS?"

:crazy:

NGU.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 05:58 PM
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40. The Duncan Hunter bill is completely different from Murtha's bill.
The Democrats are right to vote no on this bill.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 06:03 PM
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41. amen....Republicans have pushed so much crap this week
it's hard for anyone to keep up, but this
resolution should go down. It disrespects
the serious questions about this illegal
invasion and occupation by the U.S. and
the troops being wounded and dying as well
as Iraqi citizens.
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