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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:27 PM
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Dems: fire back against Cheney
I want to see some major Democrats call Cheney out. Uncle Dick is using mighty tough language and the media are playing it over and over again.

Some big-name Dem needs to lay it out in clear bytes that will be picked up by the media in the same way:

Bush and Cheney Lied
..... They made statements that weren't true
..... They knew those statements weren't true*
..... They made those statements with an intent to deceive
..... The purpose was to obtain support for the invasion of Iraq
..... They did this repeatedly

The liberal blogosphere, including DU was all over the aluminum tubes and etc. while the media were gushing about how Bush "made the case" every time he cleared his throat, and lauded Colin Powell as the "personification of credibility".

We watched as Democrats failed to call them on their lies then, we must demand that our leaders not back down now.
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*or should have. Bush may just be reading a teleprompter not knowing what is true. His brain obviously can't distinguish the truth from a lie anyway.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:37 PM
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1. SIMULATED REALITY - THE WHITE HOUSE STYLE
Recently, as people have begun to raise concerns about how the Bush administration rushed this country into war in Iraq, various minions of the White House have been rushing out to the ever obsequious media offering highly dubious descriptions of events leading to the invasion. This shows the current Cheney-Rove administration (lets not pretend Bush knows what he’s doing, he’s just programmed by the Evil Puppet-Master, Cheney) is still committed to spinning webs of deception to further confuse the electorate.

Let’s examine some of the latest Twilight –Zone twists on reality they are spinning now. They say that the Democrats “voted for the war”. Now this is a good example of lying by distortion. The Democrats did NOT vote FOR a war. They voted for a resolution which gave the President the authority use whatever military force was necessary ONLY if it was necessary AFTER MAKING A GENUINE EFFORT AT AND EXHAUSTED ALL DIPLOMATIC AVENUES to a solution. The Democrats fully expected (perhaps naively so) that the president was going to make a good faith effort to use diplomatic means to get Saddam Hussein to straiten out his act. Diplomacy is negotiations and in this matter to have voted against the resolution allowing for use of military force would have greatly weakened the President’s hand in any negotiated efforts to get Hussein to submit to inspections by the U.N. Everyone in Congress understood that the president would need that ability to use military force or else any negotiated effort would probably not succeed. But this was not a vote to invade. The Democrats expected an honest effort to achieve a diplomatic solution to the problem.

They are also making it sound as if the intelligence was stronger than it was. Actually, we now know that the CIA told the White House three times that the WMD evidence was highly suspect. But no one at the White House cared about what the real intelligence professionals had were saying, they preferred to believe disaffected Iraqi with no credibility and plenty of political ambition. The rumored meeting between Hussein and a member of al-Kaeda was scoffed at by the CIA. The remotely piloted aircraft rumor was debunked too but they still used it to sell the war.

But this administration has no love for the CIA. Cheney, Libby and Rove all were in the Bush senior’s administration and they all wanted to go after Hussein during the Gulf War, but they were stopped. And who stopped them, the CIA. The CIA told Bush senior that if he removed Hussein from power the situation would be much worse and unstable than if he stayed. Cheney and Rove didn’t forget this and decided they wouldn’t let the CIA get in their way again. That ‘s why they put their man, George Tenet in place at the CIA. Mr. Tenet would do as he was told. That’s why when Tenet said the intelligence on WMD was a “slam dunk” it didn’t mean anything, because the real intelligence professionals in the CIA were saying the intelligence wasn’t there!

Now the administration seems to be arguing that since they conned the Democrats (and the nation) that we shouldn’t hold them accountable for their crimes. It’s sounds like they are saying “No-fair, no-fair! We cheated and fooled you before but time has run out now!” -- another principle of irresponsible governance courtesy of the GOP.

This administration is so committed to the principle of the Big Lie that speaking simply and truthfully has become alien to them. Since George W is the nominal president he has to bear responsibility for this administrations crimes and punishments (Wilson - Plame).

But in a way, I feel for the W. I mean he really is a pawn. His meager intellect is no match for the Magnificent Malevolence of the Evil Puppet-Master, Cheney, or for the sly and subtle machinations of Karl Rove (who out-witted the redoubtable Mr. Fitzgerald, no less). ( I mean, Rove CREATED George W, out of various political parts: theocratic totalitarianism, anti-individual liberty hypo-C(h)ri(s)tians (who would have the government assert authority over people in the most private and personal matters of their life), gayophobic ignoranceophiles (“The liberals are gonna make you hold hands with a homo! – yeah, they are!”) to name a few.) I guess that makes Rove the Dr. Frankenstein of politics (“He’s Alive, He’s Alive!”) And there-in lies the problem. When the people who are really responsible for policies are moving quietly, unobserved, in the legal shadows behind the scenes they are more likely to act irresponsibly and with reckless disregard for the consequences of their acts. The lack of accountability leads to reckless behavior in people and in Governments. And if there is one thing the Evil Puppet Master and Dr. Rovenstein are not burdened with it’s a conscience. And with the Puppet they have inoculated themselves to accountability. They do not make for a comely couple.


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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:40 PM
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2. They have already - Reid, Kerry, Kennedy have been all over that over and
over these last weeks.

A few examples by my two senators. Of course, very few went on the media,

From today

Kerry

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?page_id=1223
“The Vice President continued to mislead America today by saying Congress saw and heard the same intelligence the White House did. We did not.

“Does the Vice President deny what the White House has already admitted — that the President made false statements about Iraq’s nuclear program in the State of the Union address even though the CIA told them three times not to? Does he deny that top Administration officials repeatedly made statements about Iraq training Al Qaeda in weapons-making, despite the fact the Defense Intelligence Agency has already concluded the source was likely a fabricator?

“It’s also wrong to continue to pretend that the Intelligence Committee has determined the intelligence on Iraq was not misused by the Administration. That is why Democrats have been pushing the Senate Intelligence Committee to complete a thorough and balanced investigation into the issue, and it’s why Democrats were forced to shut down the Senate and go into closed session to make the Republicans take this issue seriously.

“No one has less credibility on Iraq than Dick Cheney. His top national security advisor has been indicted. He led the march to war. He fought to kick out the inspectors because they weren’t finding any weapons of mass destruction. And he’s been on the attack - instead of searching for the truth - ever since.


Kennedy

http://kennedy.senate.gov/~kennedy/statements/05/11/2005B21940.html
Vice President Cheney claims it's dishonest and reprehensible for critics to suggest the President misled the nation into war. In fact, the only thing dishonest and reprehensible is the way the Administration distorted, misrepresented and manipulated the intelligence to justify a war America never should have fought.

It defies belief that the Vice President can continue to say with a straight face that Congress had the same intelligence as the President and Vice President had as we went to war. Congress did not have access to the Presidential Daily Briefs that President Bush received on intelligence since the beginning of his Administration. We need to know what was actually in those PDBs, which is why I am planning to offer an amendment requiring the Administration to turn them over to Congress.

Vice President Cheney says, "any suggestion that prewar information was distorted, hyped, or fabricated by the leader of the nation is utterly false." But the Vice President carefully doesn't say whether he or someone else distorted, hyped or fabricated that information and fed it to the President.

Congress and the American people deserve truth and honesty from their government. It's time for the Administration to tell the truth about how and why we went to war in Iraq.


From last week

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=248761

http://kennedy.senate.gov/~kennedy/statements/05/11/2005B17A07.html
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:36 PM
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3. O.K. I give up
Who is the girl in your avatar? God she is stunning! But, hey, I'm just an old fogey who, also being a Libra, appreciates beauty when I see it.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:33 AM
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5. Arundathi Roy
I think I spelled that right. She is author of The God of Small Things and an activist against big dams and other manifestations of Empire. She is Indian (sub-continent variety) :)
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:30 AM
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6.  Arundhati Roy,
Wow I now must read her books.!
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:00 PM
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7. Great!
You'll be one up on me, then ;)

I've just heard her on Democracy Now and maybe NPR & PBS.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:41 PM
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4. I agree; I think the focus on Iraq(how we got there especially)
plus Libby's indictment have really gotten to Dickie boy

And I say that now is the time to

PILE ON
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