Hillary Clinton: Immediate Iraq Exit a Mistake-Yahoo News

Okay, now she is starting to piss me off. I support her all the time and this is the kindof stuff that really makes me question her. Her husband thinks we should get out now, why won't she. I am sick of this lets play middle of the road now, it doesn't work. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!


RYE BROOK, N.Y. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would be "a big mistake."

The New York Democrat said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: "I think that would cause more problems for us in America."

"It will matter to us if Iraq totally collapses into civil war, if it becomes a failed state the way Afghanistan was, where terrorists are free to basically set up camp and launch attacks against us," she said.

At the same time, Clinton said the Bush administration's pledge to stay in Iraq "until the job is done" amounts to giving the Iraqis "an open-ended invitation not to take care of themselves."

Clinton, who is running for re-election to the Senate and is seen as a likely presidential candidate in 2008, suggested that the United States wait for Iraq's Dec. 15 elections for an indication about how soon the Iraqis can take over.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_go_co/hillary_clinton_iraq:mad:

THAT IS NOT WAHT MURTHA SAID

Hillary is distorting what Murtha said. If this is what she said, and the MSM did NOT distort her postion, then you and the DLC should go away

you mean Clinton right?

I am pissed too

this is why the democrats keep self-destructing

I will contact her office tomorrow, to verify that she wasn't misrepresented, but it sure doesn't seem like it

to support the war in the first place, she has absolutely no moral authority or credibility to be saying anything whatsoever about how we should be dealing with the situation now.

And yeah, I know the corporate media has already selected her as our 2008 nominee.:eyes:

the repuke lies

chose Lieberman for us at this period in the election cycle last time.

I hope it doesn't mean squat in 2008 like it didn't in 2004.

...to continue the occupation of Iraq. Many republicans view continuing the occupation as part of the domestic cultural war at home, and will support it no matter how immoral or disasterous the outcome on the ground in Iraq. Pro-war dems are a fifth column that undercut opposition to the war. This is a national shame. The worst part is that they repeat the rhetoric about "completing the mission" and "making sure the troops didn't die in vain," in order to cover their own political motives, and in the process subvert any honest debate about the war itself.

I can't see myself supporting Hillary in 2008.

because she needs to realize that Murtha's plan was NOT to terminate the involvement immediately, but to draw up a plan to do so.

they voted on a LIE

What this article fails to mention is that Murtha wasn't advocating immediate pullout.

It was the Republicans who put that forward.

...pressured to remove Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--and their 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, from our election system.

That's all that matters.

As for Dems talking peace: I voted for the "peace candidate" in 1964, LBJ, and got upwards of 2 million dead in Vietnam. We just can't trust anything any politician says about it. Peace, yeah, yeah. Then they get in office and some sort of 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident is manufactured, and we find ourselves invading Iran.

No true antiwar candidate can be nominated or elected. Period. Not with rightwing Bushites in charge of the vote tabulation. So, we have to be smart, strategize and prioritize.

First priority: restoring our right to vote.

the Murtha resolution was NEVER at issue, nor was it ever debated, nor did he ever call for an immediate withdrawal. The REPUG resolution brought to the floor called for immediate withdrawal.

Hillary Clinton is not an idiot, and I suspect this is a misquote.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_go_co/hillary_clinton_iraq

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The New York Democrat said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: "I think that would cause more problems for us in America."
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it states that Murtha called for immediate troops withdrawal, which he didn't, and then posits that Hillary's response was to this specific proposal, which it wasn't, because he has never called for an immediate withdrawal of the troops.

believe it or not I assume the media is guilty until shown otherwise

While professing "the greatest respect" for Rep. Jack Murtha of Pennsylvania, the ex-Marine who called for a troop pullout last week, Clinton said, "I think that would cause more problems for us in America."


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--hillaryclinton-ir1121nov21,0,1830589.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

Iit states that Murtha called for immediate troops withdrawal, which he didn't, and then posits that Hillary's response was to this specific proposal, which it wasn't, because he has never called for an immediate withdrawal of the troops.

so they must have screwed up or she is to blame

Hillary should have changed the focus of the discussion from a disagreement about an ideal (and hypothetical) Iraq policy she may have with Murtha to the much BIGGER disagreement I assume she has with the Bush administration's lack of an effective policy.

We Democrats must not allow ourselves to be manipulated into a divisive debate over the best alternative to "stay the course" when the real issue is that the course must somehow be changed.

"I'll tell you who's with John Murtha, 57% of the American people are with John Murtha."
-Wes Clark

That's what Hillary should have said...we can't control what the Bush administration does, we can only hope to have influence. We will have more influence if we keep the focus on attacking THEIR policies, not our hypothetical ones, because in the end they are the ones MAKING (or not making) the policy.

"Americans will listen to Democrats when Democrats start defending other Democrats."
-Wes Clark

the oportunistic cow. Fuck her. Put her daughter there if she is so hot to 'do the right thing'. Make her have to LOSE something and see if she feels the same way. Easy for her to say that. Lot the hell harder for those who have kids over there in that LIE!!!!! to live it everyday.

Until I get a confirmation from her, I remain open

Some of the media has also been mischaracterizing Murthas resolution also

I am NOT saying Hillary did or did NOT misrepresent it, but I will NOT take the MSM at face value

she's said it over and over and over again. She means it. She absolutely says what she means. WHy she says it, whatever calculation is in her mind, that is unsaid. But she said it. Media manipulation be damned. I've heard her say it over and over.

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between Murtha on one side and the Bush Administration on the other.

Is she trying to play Bill's game? Something tells me she'll never make it look as seamless as he did. In fact, it's way to obvious what she's doing.

Can we PLEASE now stop referring to her and Kerry in the same breath as the warmonger Dems. Can you see the difference now? One is calling for withdrawl, the other is trying to criticize Bush while giving no plans of her own.

Actually, I've heard folks refer to this strategy of her's before. I think it was Huffington Post actually. Her plan is to criticize Bush, and wait for him to fall without having to take a real position for herself.

Ugh. ABC. That's all I've got to say. ABC.

Warner, and Bayh, listed in that order by DLC's own, Al From.

But the Pennsylvania primary is always held long after the nominee has been decided. It sucks really. My fear is that my choice will be....Hillary and someone pretty much dead in the water, just hanging on for no good reason.

I won't vote for Hillary.

Usually candidates woo their base and then run to center for the general election. Hillary has already taken her base for granted. The Republicans do not do that.

That could be a huge mistake if she is the nominee. If a low turnout on her side pops up on election night--what then? My guess is that if she wants the nomination, she'll get it but I'd lov to see someone challenge her very hard for that nomination.

As for the general election----I'd have to vote for her. I just can't put anymore neocons in charge---period. So I'd vote for her--and HOPE she was just playing a game. I might hold my nose--but in the general election, I'd vote for her.

we might have had on getting the hell out of there. Fox news will be all over this like a drooping dog. "Look what she said" "ha ha ha"

Hillary's position is to stay the course?

but go ahead with all the witch hunts against her.

Hillary gets spun around here in more ways than the right wing could ever imagine doing to her.

...so the rest of us could hold rational discussions in other forums?

I was going to respond to the original post but why bother on this site? People here hate Hillary no matter what she says or does. If she called for immediate withdrawal, if she said we should set up permanent camps, or if she called for something in between (which is what she's done while looking out for our security and, more importantly, the welfare of the Iraqi people whose lives we've destroyed), this part of DU would find something to complain about. There's no point in trying to reason with them because they won't listen to a word that you say.

I'm beginning to think Hillary-bashing is what they live for and to that I say, "get a hobby!"

Your post is spot on. What so many people here love to ignore is that Hillary is concerned about ALL innocent people of this fucked up war, not just our own soldiers. She is just as concerned about the welfare of the Iraqi people, like you mentioned, if we were to leave them on the spur of the moment. They also like to ignore the fact that Bush is the one who got us into this horrible mess, not Hillary, yet the Hillary bashers act as if she's on an equal par with Bush and Cheney when it comes to starting this war. People who think that ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I could just imagine if Hillary called for an immediate withdrawal the reaction she'd get. All her detractors would jump all over her for abandoning the Iraqi people and leaving them to die. Around here, she's fucked if she does and fucked if she doesn't.

I'm always amazed how the things that apply to Hillary on this forum don't seem to apply to the other candidates, especially Kerry. With Hillary, it's selective criticism at its finest. Ever notice that? LOL!!

LOL! It just amazes me how much she is everyone's favorite punching bag. And, I just don't know why - any reason anyone ever gives me could apply to any number of other politicians including Kerry, Clark and Edwards, but somehow it's never their fault, only Hillary's! It's so odd to me. Glad to see a like-minded member on DU, even if we are the minority!