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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:13 AM
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Scalia slams Gore, says 2000 election "dragged into courts by Gore people"
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 11:16 AM by flpoljunkie
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/58101.htm

SCALIA RAPS GORE FOR '00
By FRANKIE EDOZIEN

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says the high court did not inject itself into the 2000 presidential election.

Speaking at the Time Warner Center last night, Scalia said: "The election was dragged into the courts by the Gore people. We did not go looking for trouble."

But he said the court had to take the case.

"The issue was whether Florida's Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Court What did you expect us to do? Turn the case down because it wasn't important enough?"

The conservative justice, who grew up in Queens, contended there would have been a difficult transition had the court not stepped in.

He also pointed out that studies by news organizations after the election showed Bush still would have won a Florida recount.

He also pointed out that studies by news organizations after the election showed Bush still would have won a Florida recount.

(Wrong, Scalia. Gore would have won Florida if there had been a recount of the entire state--the U. S. Supreme Court ordered the new recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court halted December 12th--one day after the Florida Supreme Court issued the order. Gore would have lost the state only under the scenario Gore originally request--recount of the four Democratic counties--Miami Dade, Broward, West Palm Beach and Volusia counties.)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:14 AM
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1. Hey Scalia...GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 11:15 AM by fooj
Idiot.:grr: Lying rat bastard!

It was Bush v. Gore, correct?
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:38 PM
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24. My sentiments exactly....
GO FUCK YOURSELF SCALIA.....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:57 PM
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25. Yep
BUSH. If it was that way it would've been Gore v Bush but it was NOT.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:26 PM
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40. With a knife!
Or a hot poker...
Or... uh, I dunno... something painful... white phosphorus.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:39 PM
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54. Fuck you with a hanging, dimpled Chad! oo
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 06:53 PM
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57. Right on! n/t
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:16 AM
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2. Okay - Now I officially hate Scalito
They have to fillibuster this fucker or else.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:35 PM
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23. I think you meant impeach...
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:35 PM by ProudDad
They have to fillibuster alito...
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:16 AM
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3. Gore blew it
He didn't go for the entire state recount.

But, the Big Bitch Scalia is wrong - the Supreme Court was dragged into it by BushBoy Baker, and did a fine, fine job of trampling on States' Rights in order to deliver the requested decision.

Lying bastard.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:21 AM
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5. Scalia didn't mentioned that Bush folks first to run to federal court to
stop the vote count in Florida. We are, of course, not surprised of this omission.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:31 AM
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6. They're all lying bastards
Watching smarmy Bob Woodward on Larry King Dead last night, listening to his convenient rewriting of the VERIFIABLE FACTS, had me screaming at the TV before ten minutes had passed.

I hope to hell I live through this shameful time in our nation's history, just to watch these deceitful prevaricators get theirs.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:37 AM
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8. Am with you all the way. Let them chickens come home to roost and soon!
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:10 PM
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14. Gore started the case in FL court, that the US SC ruled on. n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:28 PM
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17. Bush vs. Palm Beach County came first.....
Then, Gore vs. Harris

Finally, Bush vs. Gore. Bingo!

Gore did NOT file the first case.

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/us/election/election2000.html
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:17 PM
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38. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
While sitting in my office that fateful November, I was amazed that * was the first to run to the SCOTUS. I had no clue what it had to do with them, and, to be honest, I still don't. Good old Ted Olson and James Baker III (read: Palpitine).

One of the worst SCOTUS decisions ever. EVER!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:20 AM
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44. The FLA Supreme Court.'s
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 03:23 AM by Andromeda
ruling was challenged by Bush & Co. when they went to the Supreme Court. SCOTUS overturned the State of Florida's ruling that all votes be recounted in the designated FLA counties.

The whole idea was to stop the vote recounts. Once the US Supremes got into the act, which was highly inappropriate because they interfered in State's Rights, it was over and they declared Bush the winner.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:00 AM
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43. Yes, thats how i looked at it also...
I was politically inactive until the election of 2000. I sat and watched for hours on cspan the court decision/ranting what have yous on the case, and I made the judgement then, that this idiot Bush was trying to steal the election, because his lawyer kept saying that the votes shouldn't be recounted, while Gore's lawyer wanted them all to be recounted....i knew the Repubs were lying through their noses....been a dem ever since that day....
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:34 AM
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45. He didn't go for it because he would have never gotten a statewide..
recount.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:59 AM
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49. No he did not blow it. Gore followed the law. Bush and SCOTUS Repukes
did not follow the law.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:21 AM
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4. Okay, let's pretend for a moment Bush would have won a full count
What does that have to do with the SCOTUS decision? Wouldn't they have wanted to prove that the person who became president would have won if all the votes were counted? What better way to do that than to let all the votes be counted?

Scalia didn't stop the count because he thought Bush would win, he stopped it because he thought Bush would lose. And his words prove that. Even if the unofficial hand count did prove that Bush won (and it actually proves the opposite), that doesn't excuse Scalia and his dirty four for what they did. That's like murdering someone and then claiming they would have died one day anyway.

It's still treason, and the filthy animal knows it. He overthrew the Democracy on December 12th, 2000. His evasive denials are proof that it haunts his telltale heart.

(Don't call it a recount because even the Supreme Court--unanimously--ruled that there were votes that had not been counted)

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:35 AM
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7. Everybody was wrong in that case!
BOTH candidates were wrong because neither was willing to take the chance at a "full State recount"! I was screaming that at my TV every day!

The SCOTUS was wrong because they didn't demand a full State recount!

Had they all been on the same page, this whole debate over who won and who didn't would not have continued for 5+ years, and will probably never go away!
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:01 PM
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11. i dont believe you are right. gore was following florida law.
he was permitted to ask for recounts in a limited number of counties. which he did.
there was no provision in florida law for him to ask for a recount of the entire state.

florida supreme court ruled on a statewide recount but didnt include the overvotes. ie they did not include all ballots which I think they should have.

the felonius five otoh just ruled 'stop counting' and then 'no more counting because it might damage bush's "equal protection under the law"'


some people are much more equally protected than others in fact in this case bush was more equally protected than 50+ million people that voted against him.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:15 PM
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15. Gore should have asked for a hand recount in every county,
but chose not to.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:29 PM
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18. Gore asked Bush for a county-by-county recount.
But your boy's team decided it was too dangerous.

Gore did not have the legal option of forcing a recount of the whole state.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:32 PM
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22. if so, kinda stupid, its not Bush's call n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:12 PM
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26. There was no way he could demand a recount of the whole state.
As it was, Harris wouldn't accept results from 3 of 4 counties being recounted. She said there was a "deadline." Of course, this was shown to be illegal.

Bush's folks would not allow a recount because they feared their boy would lose. So they let the Supreme Court handle it.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:58 PM
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28. Gore coulda asked for a recount in every county of the state,
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 04:00 PM by rfkrfk
which, in my opinion, is effectively the same thing as
a recount of the whole state.
Its not my fault, Gore chose not to do that.

You are correct on the Bush v Palm Beach County thing, btw.

Ciao
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 08:05 AM
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50. Since results from 3 of the 4 recounts he requested were turned down....
Because Harris said they didn't make the "Deadline"--do you think she would have waited for a recount of the whole state.

A statewide recount WAS ordered by the Florida Supreme Court. That was stopped by the US Supreme Court so your guy could become President. That wasn't Gore's "fault."
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:00 PM
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16. Gore *was* hand-picking counties he thought would give up more Dem votes.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:23 PM
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39. He had no obligation to do otherwise.
It WAS those counties where fraud/theft/intimidation occurred.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:35 PM
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53. Fraud/theft/etc. in Miami-Dade? I didn't hear much about that.
There were plenty of problems up north, too.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:57 PM
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55. The phrase is "cherry picking"
I remember it well. And I remember those who used it.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:28 PM
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56. He "cherry picked" them by "hand"
;)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:34 AM
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46. A statewide recount would have NEVER been granted.
nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:39 AM
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9. "Gore's Victory"
Please click on link and read full article to appreciate the truth.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/111201a.html

Gore won even if one doesn’t count the 15,000-25,000 votes that USA Today estimated Gore lost because of illegally designed “butterfly ballots,” or the hundreds of predominantly African-American voters who were falsely identified by the state as felons and turned away from the polls.
Gore won even if there’s no adjustment for George W. Bush’s windfall of about 290 votes from improperly counted military absentee ballots where lax standards were applied to Republican counties and strict standards to Democratic ones, a violation of fairness reported earlier by the Washington Post and the New York Times.
Put differently, George W. Bush was not the choice of Florida’s voters anymore than he was the choice of the American people who cast a half million more ballots for Gore than Bush nationwide.

<snip>

The Washington Post recalled that Gore "did at one point call on Bush to join him in asking for a statewide recount" and accepting the results without further legal challenge, but that Bush rejected the proposal as "a public relations gesture."



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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:48 AM
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10. And just why is this asshole crowing about this now?
Me thinks he protests to much! Or the good old: guilty conscious.

I have never in my life seen as bunch a whiners as these sore winners. They cheat, steal and lie to get what they want and yet when they get and take everything, they still beat a dead horse that they killed in the first place. I just honestly don't get it.
What the fuck else do they want? Our souls?

Well, they can go fuck themselves twice on sunday if I'm going to give them that. Oy vey!
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:06 PM
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12. given a congress with integrity the remaining felonious four
would be impeached and then tried for treason. there is nothing more corrupt than a judge who twists the law for their own purposes.
they should spend the last of their days in a small, miserable cell.

they enabled, directly and with criminal intent, all of the pain and destruction we have had to endure for the last 5 years.

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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:07 PM
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13. Gore People = most Americans
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 12:08 PM by El Fuego
If not for the "butterfly ballot" fiasco, Gore would have had 3000+ more votes in Florida (the people who voted for Buchanan by mistake.)
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:30 PM
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19. Doesn't matter, Tony, Bush won *your* little "election"
You portly Constitution-hating traitor.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:37 PM
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20. Bullpucky. The Supremes didn't have to take the case.
They could have (and should have) denied certiorari in the first place. The issue was entirely one of state election law; the equal protection argument was totally bogus. They granted cert only because Gore would have won otherwise. Fat Tony is a disingenuous wad of crap.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:39 PM
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21. Very well put, ocelot!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:19 PM
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33. agreed!
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:19 PM
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27. Scalia, you have a poor memory
Therefore, you're too old to be serving on the supreme court. Gore won the popular vote, so how was he the cause of the 2000 election being "dragged into the courts"? as you are implying/lying about!!?
Can't you get anything right? :freak: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:59 PM
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29. Yup, he has judicial temperament alright. A truly disinterested
party there.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:02 PM
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30. He's sure as hell injecting himself into politics now, too!
All political all the time courtesy of W et al.

:spank:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:09 PM
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31. If he felt that way why does he wait until NOW to tell everyone?
He sounds like those Michael Jackson jurors that came out after the not guilty verdict and said they believed him to be guilty. Oh, and they were writing a book.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:18 PM
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32. To Scalia: "You should have turned it down because SC HAD NO AUTHORITY
to get involved in an issue that should have been decided by a STATE COURT."

That's what I expected you to do.

The Florida Supreme Court did an excellent job of deciding the issues.

You bent over backwards to find a "federal" issue that enabled you to get involved. But you have no interest in extending your concern over the same federal issue (equal rights to vote) in other states where one person-one vote does not prevail.

This self-serving illogic is so obvious--I never understand why some people think he's so "bright."

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:00 PM
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34. Exactly. Not only was the case wrongly decided, it didn't belong in the
SC for the reason you site.

The notion that they were forced to take it because it was so important is crap.

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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:07 PM
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35. For a supposed intellectual, Scalia was remarkably ignorant in 2000
Not just slanted, pure ignorant. I was amazed the networks didn't call him on it.

During the SCOTUS hearings I distinctly remember him asking David Bois in an annoyed tone why anyone would even bother dealing with the Protest phase of Florida election law, why not wait and go immediately to the Contest phase? The look on Bois' face was priceless. You could tell he was in disbelief and basically wanted to tell Scalia it was an idiotic question but Bois, of course, had to be diplomatic and lawyerly especially in that setting.

The Protest phase was pre-certification. It's an annoyance for the county election officials but essentially a necessary step to double check the vote totals and make sure the tallies are correct. Once you finish the Protest phase the vote is certified by the Secretary of State (our lovely Ms. Harris in this case) and therefore the election result is now official. When you initiate a Contest phase that's essentially suing the counties and state, asserting they screwed up. At that point the counties have their own legal teams and it's a confrontational mode. The chance of reversal drops exponentially. That Scalia couldn't understand the basic differences was pathetic.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:15 PM
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36. scalia was one of
the 5 who betrayed our Country on Dec 12, 2001. Of course, he's going around trying to cover his ass. Too bad traitors are on the Supreme Court of the USA.

Vincent Bugliosi layed it out quite well in "The Betrayal of America"..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156025355X/102-2536715-6652914?v=glance&n=283155&v=glance
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:25 PM
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37. He should have to step down from the court. He is supposed to stay
out of politics. Though perhaps that is the point. Perhaps he wanted to create a firestorm today for his GOP pals. Perhas they winked at each other over a canned hunt of turkeys..where the turkeys were thown into a big dump for all the "dead game" and just left there.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:48 PM
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41. *Fuck* that motherfucker!
Goddamn do these scum-suckers have no shame? Lying criminals, the lot of them! This is our Supreme Court, now and in the future, what has this country come to?

:mad:
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:33 AM
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42. hmm, early dementia... i guess this is grounds for removal from SCOTUS
didn't remember a mere 5 years ago that it was the Bush people who took it to federal supreme court while Gore people took it to florida state supreme court. thanks Scalia, now that you've shown that your ability to remember and reason is now comprimised, hopefully the papers will be filed by a rather ballsy congressperson.

Scalia must be removed, he suffers from dementia! or syphilis, due to that orgy comment... either way, he's not mentally competent to stand on the court. good. keep talking Scalia, we could always use more evidence against you. :D
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:49 AM
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47. BFS Scalia...most of you SC ass clowns COULDN'T wait to take this on...
You most likely got a few phone calls from the village idiots dad. It was a drop dead bet that Gore was the winner if ALL the votes were recounted and the Bush Crime family couldn't let that happen.

Gore didn't drag this in and drop it at your feet,Bush Sr did the deed you LYING OLD FUCK!!

Damit.....
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SamuelAlito Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:17 AM
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51. I, Samuel A. Alito
Would have jumped right in the fray. Read all about what I'd be doing at my blog, where I am circumventing the MSM and going "straight to the people"

The Right Honorable Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
(the A stands for Awesome).
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:59 AM
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48. Shut Yer Fat Yap Skanklia You Are A CRIMINAL. Bugliosi nailed YOU!
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SamuelAlito Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:22 AM
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52. I Samuel Alito, would have taken care of the whole thing.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 10:22 AM by SamuelAlito
I, Samuel A. Alito, Jr. am happy to expound in public on waterboarding, the things we can learn from Libya, and what I dressed up as for Halloween.

I think Nino should pick a better crowd to go chattering on in front of.

The Right Honorable Samuel A. Alito, Jr.
The A stands for Awesome.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:09 PM
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58. The SC steals the election from Gore, then blames him.
Blame the victim once again,
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:13 PM
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59. SC starting to feel some heat for their part in BushCo?
Why else start blaming the victim all of a sudden? They steal the election from Gore and now blame him. I think the SC is feeling a bit of angst.
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