Are we going to end up a nation with strong states' rights?

I posted this on a conservative website, hoping to see what they may think of this. I worry all of the time about the divided society we have today. I think it really started with Limbaugh in the 1980s and his hateful rhetoric, which has spilled over today into a country where the Pres and VP call those who disagree with them "traitors." Where Congressional representatives call decorated war veterans "cowards" because they have a different point of view.

I really think we might end up so divided that we want nothing to do with each other. Or we end up with a loose group of states. I think this would be a better idea. I personally don't want to live in a nation in which all children pray to the Christian God in the morning in school, where the FBI can wiretap you without your knowledge, where women are not allowed to make decisions about their bodies, where my tax dollars are going to pay agents to torture foreigners, where intelligent design is taught instead of evolution, or considered as important, where FoxNews is the only television, and no other point of view is not only not tolerated, it is called treasonous. Do you doubt this is where we are headed?? These are just a few examples of things the conservatives want. How many of you would want to live in that theocratic land? Now, I am not promoting this, I would like to see us able to discuss, like adults, our differences and then split the difference on some of them, but I worry that this will happen.

So what to do if these things come to pass? How about real states' rights??? Is this going to happen? Where does our nation go from here if there is no compromise?? 1/2 will be eternally angry. Could states' rights be the way to go?? We would all still be the United States, but New York, Massachusetts, California will have more liberal governments: secular education, right to choose, teaching evolution in the schools, no intelligent design, univeral health care for everyone in the state, we keep our tax dollars in our states though; no sending our tax dollars to poorer states. The more conservative states can outlaw abortion, teach intelligent design as opposed to evolution, have prayer and religioius instruction in the schools, privatize social security and Medicare and Medicaid, get rid of welfare, Section housing (funded housing) and food stamps. Then people can choose where they want to live.

Is this where we are possibly heading? Because I cannot see any other way to make everyone happy in this nation. We really have two different visions of what America is and should be. I think we are way too divided, and cannot even speak to one another. The trick would be to make sure those who want each way of life would be able to live in a state where they would be comfortable.

I know I for one are getting tired of being called un-American, a traitor, aiding and abetting the terrorists (all things Hannity said this week,) and having my patriotism questioned because I think this president lied to get us into war. I for one am tired of dealing with the fantasy land that conservatives seem to live in. And they don't look like they want to compromise with us.

Is this a good idea? What do you think?

"A nation divided against itself cannot long stand."

Significantly stronger states' rights, overruling the authority of the federal government, will eventually result in the dissolution of the union. This may, or may not, be a good thing in and of itself, but to answer your question, a nation of strong states' rights will not be a nation for long.

the "maverick" blue states who won't fall in line with the religious, conservative agenda.

U.S. Constitution - Amendment 10

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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The Conservative State Nuts would never give up their war-on-liberals. Being anti-liberal is the basis of their identities. Remove liberals and they'd have to turn on each other.

Interesting questions though.

I am not sure what you are getting at - sorry, I'm dense.

I was referring to your last comment...

"I know I for one are getting tired of being called un-American, a traitor, aiding and abetting the terrorists (all things Hannity said this week,) and having my patriotism questioned because I think this president lied to get us into war. I for one am tired of dealing with the fantasy land that conservatives seem to live in. And they don't look like they want to compromise with us."

I don't think we live in a world as described by Rush or Hannity. And if we let them define it, or us, we lose.

Hang in there.

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Every time you cross a state line, the laws will change.

It could get pretty ugly. Example: One state dams up all their rivers close to the state line and the state that would have normally had water will now have none.

the Red states are dependent on the tax dollars of the blue states to help them survive. This is why, if states have their own set-ups for health insurance and welfare, the $$ collected for each state has to stay in the state after the federal obligation.

But the agricultural backbone of the country is in the red states. They'd probably survive just fine, tax dollars or no tax dollars.
Besides, it ain't about states even - it's about counties, towns, villages. I like these maps:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
Urban and suburban voters won't take back the country, not conclusively. Gotta get out in the boondocks and change peoples minds. Fifty years ago, the Democrats owned the rural vote - take it back from the liars.
Sorry to butt in, but I like arguing.

and they will buy apples and wine from the blue states. Lots of states don't have agriculture, but there is lots and lots of land in NY, unused, that can be used to grow crops needed for life.

And the red states are very dependent on the tax dollars from the blue states to even make their budgets. We would have to cooperate with each other, or no on would survive.

Welcome to DU!! :toast: