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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:08 PM
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Richard I Love Judy Miller Pearle opened his mouth

on Wash. Journal this a.m.

the host leaned toward Pearle and asked this question: who did Pearle think was the best reporter reporting on Iraq.

(a surprising question for a W.J. host to make)

Pearle without hesitation says Judy Miller

and I fell out laughing.

(oh, that Judy and her men - that stuff her pockets with money)

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he also said a bunch of other crap, like:

1/2 of the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi

that if we pulled out of Iraq, terrorists around the world would go on a wild killing spree

and it's just "malicious" to say we are in Iraq for the oil. we haven't touched one drop of the oil. in the US "we buy our oil".

he actually said, twice, that neo-cons were liberal.

Richard, the keeper of the PNAC flame (and hot for Judy)
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:10 PM
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1. just another repuke idiot.........
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:13 PM
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2. Why is this PNAC war criminal still free?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:15 PM
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4. That's what I'd like to know.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:43 PM
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10. oddly enough he isn't a PNAC signatory
He just looms in the background. :)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:15 PM
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3. So, Richie Rich, half of the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi???
Looks like we invaded the wrong damn country, eh???
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:39 PM
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7. oh he wants to invade them too, he and David Frum wrote a book
about it a year or so ago. The hardcore Neo-Con true believers do not like Saudi Arabia. They'd just as soon invade and take over their oil assets so that we wouldn't have to deal with the Royal Family and the fundamentalists. It's just that the other Neo-Cons, the greedmongers like Cheney who aren't true believers in the academic sense, they don't give a shit about that as long as they have companies and buddies getting rich off the Saudis.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:44 PM
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11. Guess we need to call that clown a CAB
CAB=Crazy Ass Bastard!!!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:46 PM
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12. yeah something's wrong with the guy
He's not operating on all cylinders. :)
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:34 PM
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5. I'm surprised that when he opened his mouth
a swarm of flies didn't come out. The guy gives me the creeps.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:39 PM
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8. the Prince of Darkness
:)
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:36 PM
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6. Is HE sleeping with her, too??!?
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 07:11 AM
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19. Who Isn't Sleeping With That Slag?
Edited on Thu Nov-24-05 07:11 AM by Binka
That is why Cheney is so pissed. He thought she was his private poon stash. Unfortunately Judy is a leg spreading slag!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:42 PM
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9. When he says "neocons are liberal"
that isn't entirely untrue. As we know, neocons have been called "liberals with guns". And the neocons' beginnings included some people whose political roots were "liberal".

But those people are not the same people who are real liberals. Real liberals are honest, or honestly liberal. And therefore real liberals are always against cheap, fraudulent wars such as this one, and the ones to come in Syria and Iran.

The neocons are a chameleon-like group who attach to whichever political group they think will give them a ride to the top. They may have been attached to some "liberals" in the past; now they are attached to conservatives the way Rush Limbaugh is attached to opiates.

And if they were associated with "liberals" in the past, notice that in that past, the neocons were NOT allowed to hijack the country and promote endless war. It is the "conservatives'" fault that neocons are ruining this country--not the fault of honest liberals. It is the conservatives who allowed them to gain power.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:51 PM
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13. that's because some people associate them with
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 01:42 PM by Wetzelbill
Wilson and the notion of spreading liberal democracy. These guys are actually to be more associated with Reagan's rhetoric. They are also vampires. The clamp on to energy assets and suck a country dry. The believe in intense free-market principles. The idea of fighting in the Middle Eastern theater is less about democracy as it is about privatizing the archaic economies there and opening up previously untapped resources to foreign investment. It's what they mean when they talk about promoting American ideals and what Norman Podheretz is talking about when he brought up "modernizing and reforming Islam."
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:26 PM
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15. No argument there!
You obviously have a good knowledge of history.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:41 PM
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16. I've been published on PNAC before
they used to be an obsession of mine. Really interesting group of people and a very interesting ideology. To study anyway. You wouldn't want to live in a world in which all of their beliefs come true. Living in an empire is much different than living in a liberal secular democracy. :) Thanks, I work pretty hard to learn the things I do know. Not too long ago I barely knew anything, but if a person is curious and dedicated they can play catch up pretty fast. :)
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:05 PM
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17. In that case, I'd ask your views about what really happened on
9/11/2001, but I'm sure we'd be promptly banished to the obscure "9/11" sub-forum!

Because I'd damn well like to know who really did it. I'm prepared to believe that it may have been a convergence of more than one cause. I just don't believe it was "Osama and his 19 trained hijackers". Or, if it was, I don't believe Osama was doing it for the reasons we've been taught to believe were his reasons.

I think Kurt Weldon has an instinctive feeling that if we begin questioning The Legend of 9/11, we will learn some stuff that is so shocking, it will rock our political landscape like nothing ever has before. Whether or not that's true, what's the harm in trying to really find out what happened and who was behind it?

Oh well--there I go... this post alone will probably get me sent to the 9/11 threads... lol.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 05:57 AM
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18. it was definitely
al-qaeda related. Osama was inspirational in it, not hands on. His money and connections serve to help the planning and funding etc. Khalid Sheik Mohammed did the planning and he set up most of the people who did the execution. I would have to see some other seriously compelling evidence to believe otherwise.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 11:00 AM
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20. Well, they say
"al quaeda" was a concept, not an organization. (Don't know about now, considering that our actions are breeding new bombers daily, but back then...)

And some of Osama's very best connections were with Americans. We all know that it was Americans who helped him so that he could fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. (Couldn't have the Soviets controlling that pipeline..)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 02:16 PM
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21. yes it's a basic structure
al-qaeda means "the base." So there is a basic organizational structure, with roots in fundamentalism (madrassas) and ties to different intelligence agencies such as the ISID in Pakistan. There is no real evidence that bin Laden directly received American aid while he was in Afghanistan. He definitely indirectly was helped by the CIA, for sure, but they probably did not deal with him personally. They dealt with people like Gulbeddin Hekmatyar and Ahmed Shah Massoud. Who eventually became involved with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. Bin Laden is independentally wealthy and had his own resources, so he didn't necessarily receive help from the U.S. personally, nor was he the major leader of the Freedom Fighter effort. He did, however, make his name as a Jihadist in Afghanistan and that as well as the first Gulf War and his opposition to that, gave him his career as a Jihadist.

The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan has to be taken in context to the Cold War of course, unfortunately our actions there, while they didn't create the bin ladens of the world, they did give them a Jihad to cut their teeth on and develop tremendous skills that would benefit them as they continued their careers. It is inaccurate to call al-qaeda a concept, they do have organizational roots. However, what we see now, largely in part to 9-11 and the Iraq War, is a decentralization of this organization. It has now become an inspiration to more independent cells. However, a lot of the basic funding sources are still there. The bombings in London last summer were definitely amateur hour, no doubt, but they were likely done by amateurs who had tapped into the basic al-qaeda financial network. The probably recieved money from al-qaeda affiliates. But they aren't specifically al-qaeda themselves. It's complex. You can't really say one thing definitively either way. For example, it isn't accurate to just dismiss al-qaeda as a concept, because it is very much real. Yet it isn't accurate to see them as a giant monolith the way the Bushies tend to do. I don't doubt that their connections are far-reaching. Al-qaeda has essentially spread to 70 different countries. What is most likely not true is that they are all one group working in coordination with each other and under the direction of one man. They don't exist that way. Lost in this is that Jihadist or terror groups have different goals. For example, some people might consider Jaish e-Mohammed or Lashkar e-toiba as al-qaeda affiliates. Well, yes and no. They may have connections, but they also compete with each other or work towards different causes. Lashkar e-toiba, for example, is a fundamentalist Kashmir insurgency group. They aren't trying to attack the U.S. or anything, they just are fighting Hindus in Kashmir. Now some of them may cross over and work in other groups hostile to the U.S. too, it just depends. Also, Lashkar e-toiba's most famous member is the Father of the Islam Bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan, who sold nuclear secrets to North Korea, Iran etc.

But yes, it's too complex to just reduce them to one thing or another. As for American involvement with 9-11, I would think that the worst thing is that it was ignored. It wasn't complicit, I just think this administration in particular knew something was up and didn't take it seriously. I do doubt they let it happen or made it happen on purpose. They just didn't really care about terrorism, they were more focused on going into Iraq at some point and were figuring that out. Now, I am interested to see if Americans -as in regular white Americans etc - are fundamentalist sympathizers. I would like to see that. See if any give up many to the cause and so forth. Not sure what the evidence or outlook on that is though.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:52 PM
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14. Perle should be serving a life sentence for his treason from way back.
He gave US National Security information to Israel.

<snip>When Perle was working for Senator Scoop Jackson, he was investigated by the Justice Department and found to have violated US policies relating to unlawful transmission of sensitive classified US information to Israel.

"An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy," writes Paul Findley (They Dare To Speak Out, Chicago, Ill, Lawrence Hill Books 1989)."He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm."

In other words, Richard Perle is an Israeli spy.

http://www.rense.com/general35/eax.htm
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