Who Are The Clark Supporters Here? (We're A Small Vocal Minority You Kno

you know. . .If you do not support Clark, please don't post here. I'm wondering how many of us there are.

...it is a very cagey move that gets him face time in front of the mouth-breathers, so that when he (hopefully) becomes the Dem nominee those fence-sitting knucke-draggers will at least know who he is in his own right, as opposed to being defined by the 30-second smear ads the rethuglicans will inevitably run...

The General kicks ass, and takes absolutley ZERO shit from the line-up of chickenhawks loudmouths on that "network"...

And one of the many reasons I love this man. I was put off at first, and then realized that is exactly what he should be doing.

That's EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!

they would vote for a republican even if their candidate was a thief. The only "issues" they care about are God, Guns, Gays, and flags.

:hi:

was something that had impressed me. He said we have to stop preaching only to the choir. He wants to try to break through to some of the rest of the country too and that's why he accepted the Fox job. He said it makes him angry that there's not a Democratic voice there to counter all the crazy stuff they say and he's happy to do the job. (I'm paraphrasing.)

Makes sense to me. :shrug:

My thoughts exactly.

for the long haul....

Love the picture, and my "General **** CLARK for President '08" bumper sticker is in plain view wherever I park!

YOU ALWAYS PREACH TO THE "OTHER SIDE" IF YOU WANT RESULTS.

He also has told us to listen to right wing radio and call in stating Facts, write letters to the editor, etc. It's up to us - since there's no free/independent press - to inform people. (He didn't say the part about no free press btw! but I'm pretty sure he knows.)

Bush refused to have Clark positioned on his Security Council and Rove didn't want anything to do with Clark. Only Brit Hume. Go figure.

That 'splains the extra magnitude of disorder in yer'handle, en' figures to "0" in yer'calculation...

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imo, 0007 is more Brit humor.

Gen Clark thought he would be invited to join the Bush administration's national security team.
However, the proposal was reportedly squashed by the White House political chief, Karl Rove.


Didn't get by Rove?

The phone logs were checked....nada...twas a joke.

As your tibit was Printed in Corporate Newsweek (and affiliated sister of MSNBC/CNBC/NBC/GE = Defense contractors) back in October of 2003 (jeeze, do you really have to reach in this way out that far? How sad for you).....


From http://talkingpointsmemo.com/sept0304.html#092303125pm
Fineman's evidence is the say-so of Colorado's Republican Governor Bill Owens and one of his appointees, Marc Holtzman.

"I would have been a Republican if Karl Rove had returned my phone calls," they say Clark told him.

Clark told Fineman he had just been kidding around. But Owens and Holtzman assured Fineman that Clark was dead serious.
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Now, Owens is a Republican and he's close to Karl Rove and President Bush. So I don't think you've got to use your imagination too creatively to see what agenda Owens might be advancing -- especially since the story doesn't really add up on several other counts as well.
http://www.jessicaswell.com/MT/archives/000839.html
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Sooooo, you buy what the two Republicans were selling? You actually believe this orchestrated RW smear against Wes Clark?

Wes Clark, who defended Howard Dean, Cindy Sheehan, Sen. Durbin, Congressman Murtha, Richard Clarke, Paul O'neil, and Michael Moore is your enemy?

and the Republican Smear noise machine of Owens and Holtzman are honest and upstanding guys who's words you trust especially when printed by Media Whore Fineman in the pages of your holy book, aka, Newsweek 4 days after Wes Clark announced back in 2003?

Jeeze! What is there to say, when you have revealed who your trusted friends are! :shrug:

not anyone who are fractions thereof

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Considering who you "trust".....you don't even need to answer.

and making you develop breasts. You may want to stop before they do you some serious damage.:shrug:

I trust Josh Marshall:

WHouse Talking Points

For the White House, it is particularly important that Clark's credibility be impeached as soon as possible. President Bush now has a 40 percent disapproval rating on "handling foreign policy and terrorism." That is without a Democrat with any credibility in national security having thrown a punch. A credible Clark could inflict some very serious damage on this president, particularly after Bush's admission last week that there was no direct connection between the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and Saddam Hussein. That was news to 69 percent of Americans, who told Washington Post pollsters in August they thought a connection was likely. The Bush campaign cannot afford to have a credible Clark throwing fastballs at them for the next 15 months, whether he is the nominee, running mate or sitting on the sidelines.

There is much more about this lie that you insist upon repeating. Simple, the WHouse checked the phone logs...no call...never...none...Clark told a joke that a Rove crony tried to use to smear Clark. Why? Because, as in the case of Joe Wilson, they knew that Clark needed to be discredited. I would say: thanks for playing, but the entire discussion of this is sickening.

as a lullaby....

It was a JOKE!!!

Aarrh,..That's a shocker! :wow:

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Well, g'nite y'all,... times fer me to hit the lockbox en' get some shuteye...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I rather doubt that Kerry, Hackett and all the other Dems Wes has campaigned for since he dropped out of the primaries would value his support so much if your statement were true. Nor would our Democratic Congresspeople take him seriously as an expert on national security nor listen to his advice, which they do.

If you were at all interested in him and following what he's been doing since then, you'd know how hard he's been working on behalf of the Democratic Party and various campaigns. But it's clear that you don't, so perhaps it would be better if you read a little more about him. I would suggest you start at his PAC
http://www.securingamerica.com/

or check his books out of the library: "Waging Modern War: Bosnia, Kosovo and the Future of Combat" (Public Affairs, New York, NY 2001) and "Winning Modern War: Iraq, Terrorism and the American Empire" (Public Affairs, New York, NY 2003).

and he would put them all to shame. He wouldn't go alone with all their crooked bullshit lies...and they knew it. If he had been on their team he would have exposed them long ago and we would never have gotten into this damn war and Halliburton and bush* et al wouldn't be so rich and our country wouldn't be in such awful debt.
So in other words it's to his credit and honestly and scruples that they didn't want him. They know a crook when they see one so they wanted nothing to do with him.
End of story!

about what a mistake it was to run Kerry intead of Clark. leave me your email and I'll forward it to you. Or find my blog on securing america (same handle) and cut and paste it. it's called The Switch. I was told by a Clarkie mom whose son is in Iraq: "I was honored to read it."

You actually believe smears against Clark from ROVE???

I wish Dick Morris would just go away.......his Condi/Hillary talk is boring---not going to happen.
Condi's going to go down with the rest of the liars in this admin....and Hillary's on the wrong wide of the Iraq War stand-down issue.
One's a crook and the other "doesn't get it".
Neither are in tune with main stream America any more.

He is smart, confident, and a born leader.

but if it came down to Clark and McCain (who I expect to take the Repug nom), I don't know that Clark could take him. My sixth sense tells me '08 is McCain's year. Pray God my premonition is wrong but... it's usually right on the money, goddamn it.

issue....does/says what suits HIM best, not the country. Poster boy for flip-flopping.

I don't want McCain as president. Here's hoping my unsettling premonition is dead wrong this time. But it would be a first.

n/t

and will again

how big of a mistake it was to run Kerry instead of Clark?

hope to get the chance to do so again.

thing. Better to get to the undecideds and the wavering than to leave them to the propaganda machine.

bumper sticker on my fridge.

I've been a Clark fan since 2004 and I can't wait to vote for him in 2008 (if he runs).

about replying that it isn't just a "small group of the same supporters"..but then, I decided it wasn't even worth the effort.

It's too early for me but I really like a lot of what Clark is saying and doing as opposed to some of the other contendas.

For one thing..he's always sticking up for Dems of all stripes..think Michael Moore, Dean, and Murtha.

And this from his Thanksgiving message..

"And, as President Lincoln wished in 1863, let us do everything in our power, and ask for God's help, to bring a swift end to our current military conflict abroad, while healing the many wounds that divide us as Americans here at home."

Clark seems to be Fearless..another quality I admire.

like him very much too.

I also greatly appreciate his international view of the world as well.

DemEx

That was a nice Thanksgiving message from the General....

And it was his fearlessness that brought my Mom to the Clark side during the early days of the campaign...

Oh, and count me among the "minority". :)

Plenty of other Dems I'd happily vote for but none others for whom I have so few reservations.

If I can't have Al Gore.

about what a mistake it was to run Kerry instead of Clark?

I think he's just what we need.

I was planning to go to NH in '07 to work on his campaign, but I am now planning on moving there in the spring to see if we can elect a Democrat to the House in '06. :)

You know about the Wesley Clark Supporters Group?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=235

I stop in there regularly.

I really like Clark and think he would be a stellar candidate, but my first choice is Mark Warner. I think being a governor is a huge asset right now.

Still, "Clark 2008" rolls easy off the tounge, too.

Unfortunately, we'll never get the chance to see Clark debate Chimpy and compare military experiences. ("Gun shots v Jello shots")

as their # 1 choice. Sorry, I should have posted it that way first. I suppose now we'll have plenty of "Clark is my # 2" supporters, who really do not support Wes at all.

I just wanted to add positive comments. Too often these threads turn into bashing.

Nothing at all wrong with having him as your second choice. I'd like to see anyone who admires and respects Clark feel free to post here, though I admit that it's not my thread so not my call.

Welcome to DU by the way. It must be pretty difficult being a Democrat in Indiana.

SO ONLY THE SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDE OF NATO WILL SUFFICE!!!!

I don't agree with that. I'd say the Clark crowd is better described as a plurality.

Call me a liar. :eyes:

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and his job as a four star general was more arduous than being POTUS. Retired Navy here for the General; awaiting orders Sir!

:patriot:

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

I have been for Clark since the inception of the Draft Clark movement. I have met him and have heard him speak on numerous occassions, volunteered in New Hampshire for him, was encouraged to get involved because of his inspiring message about giving back to your community, ran for local election, won, worker harder now than I ever have in my life, enjoying it more than I ever have and making absolutely no money for the effort, would not trade it for anything.

I look at it as providing hope for a safe future for my draft age son. Get involed, get to work, bring in your friends and believe "That together we can do better"


oh yeah I also was fortunate enough to be his "driver" on his visit to Reno before the election:)

Clark volunteers are working on 06 races at his direction (and with his help and encouragement)

Draft Clark, Clark 04, Clark 08!

last campaign from home.

to run Kerry instead of Clark?

I support him with head, heart and wallet.

Don't know what his plans are for 2008 but if he runs I'll support him.

:hi:

Mz Pip
:dem:

At this point, would consider Clark/Warner the best combination...between the two of them, the country could be put back together.

Great to hear fromm you! It's been a while:yourock: :patriot: :hug: :toast: :party: :hippie: O8) :)

Went to the meetups for him in '04 but Kerry was a given by the time the primaries got to NY. Except for Kucinich he is the most liberal. He has a good handle on dealing with issues that really affect the average American, he has a good head and a good heart and proven courage that will be needed to get us out of the mess we are in at home and abroad. While others could be good he's the only one I have confidence in to do the job.

Impeach Bush now! Clark 2008." My brother has to see it everytime he comes. :-D However, funny story. He's a moron but he would vote for Clark. Think of how many marginal people Clark could get besides all the rest.

I support General Clark. I actually thought he would have been a good vice presidential candidate with Kerry in "04". It is ok for him to be on Faux News as long as he does not drink their cool-aide.

Not feverent support, I just want one of us in the W.H. If he is still in the primaries here in California he's got a good shot at my vote. Is that good enough to post here?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I am a democrat".
~Will Rogers~

Several months before John Hlinko started his hugely successful movement, there was a small interest group (website and forum) that was very inactive. You could post a message on it.. and if you got a response within a week, you were lucky!

I don't even remember who the people are who created that first site because when Hlinko stepped in, the other site faded into the sunset.

I still have the bumper stickers too! In fact, when General Clark came to Anchorage.. I had him sign one of them for me. He looked at it, and said .."huh, I've never seen this one". http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

When he officially entered the campaign, I got one of the "founder's coins" that Hlinko and company sent out to the first donors. :hug:

For 2008.. I hope like hell he'll run, but if he doesn't.. I hope Tim Kaine's prediction that he'll run with Mark Warner will come true. ~Clark/Warner or Warner/Clark~

By the way... Daily Kos has 11,768 votes on their latest straw poll so far. General Clark comes out on top!

Their top three choices are-

Clark
Feingold
Warner

Right here --> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/21/122347/52

I didn't know that. Nice Daily Kos poll too - I voted!:patriot:

BTW.. here's the founders of "Draft Clark"



John Hlinko ----- and ----- Josh Margulies

Still have a bunch of signs, banners and buttons. Can't seem to let my Clark gear go.

Clark in 2008!

But I was too chicken to post much.
He's the first politician I ever donated to or worked for...
I'll never forget the -20 degree weather.
He's the only person I could vote for with any heart or enthusiasm. Anyone else will be just because he's/she's our candidate.

His candidacy was my introduction to grassroots politics. I found out about him by reading on the Daily Kos website as the invasion of Iraq was getting underway.
I've never been so cold in NH either!

Hi folks -- I came across this conversation, and just wanted to thank you all for the really nice sentiments. The draft effort was an incredibly inspirational time for me as well -- first and foremost because I got to work with great people like you.

As far as what I'm up to, I'm now working full time at Grassroots Enterprise, a political consulting firm here in Washington DC (www.grassroots.com). On the side, I'm running StemPAC, a grassroots movement in support of stem cell research (www.stempac.com). And I'm also running another fun project -- www.ActForLove.org , personals for activists. Gees, it's amazing how much of my life is defined in Web addresses!

So yes, it's a busy time for sure, but needless to say... I'm doing my work with one eye, and have the other one instinctively focused on 2008... (and 2006, of course!) ;)

Again, thanks so much for the nice words. I'm honored! Keep fighting, folks!

John Hlinko

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Please feel free to post anytime, and thank you for being so instrumental in putting the Clark Draft movement together back then!

Take good care of yourself!

DU is a great community, and has been huge in spurring so many movements. It's a pleasure to be here. :)

Remember Sterling?

Yep, it took me a while to get here, but I've been doing a lot on DKos, and now I suspect I'll be adding DU to my regular routine. Sigh... I might as well go ahead and give up the day job... ;)

I've not seen Stirling in a while, but have read his stuff recently on Kos and elsewhere. I will say, that guy is a hell of a writer.

This thread started out innocent enough . . . Never did I think someone as closely connected to Wesley Clark as you are would actually see this, let alone post! Thank you sir!:patriot:

It really made my day to see that thread. What a great group of folks -- looking forward to fighting in the trenches with you on many fights to come. :)

:woohoo: How AWESOME to see John Hlinko right here at DU !!! :woohoo:

I still remember the night you asked the Clarkie group to (just for the fun of it) submit some ideas for a "campaign headquarters song".. (Just to have another one of those fun nights at the Clark site.)

Since you were based out of an old train depot in Little Rock, I sent a silly suggestion of "Take the Last Train to CLARKSville"..

I thought for sure the Clarkie gang was going to laugh me out of the water.. But the FIRST person to respond was YOU :hug: and you were cracking up!! http://eliteleague.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/lol!.gif

Other vivid memories I have are of the initial format you had BEFORE the CCN replaced it. The first place was super fast moving, super prone to freepers (since you could post anonymously, and was INSANELY busy 24 hours a day!) :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

When the CCN first made its debut, I'll never forget how confused we all were and how much we cried for you to bring the old place back. Compared to the old place, the CCN was full of all kinds of buttons and whistles that we had to adapt to!

Eventually though, everyone got the hang of it and we LOVED it!

I'm shocked and DELIGHTED to see you stop in JH!! I won't put you on the spot and ask you if the General will run or not.. but feel free to drop any hints at any time.. )

If he doesn't run, I'm hoping he'll team up with Governor Warner. Jerome Armstrong (Howard Dean's former internet guru) is running Warner's PAC site & blog these days.

BTW.. :shrug: I always wondered what became of your brother-in-law after the General dropped out.

Do you happen to know what John Hlinko is up to these days?

I hope if the good General runs again.. :hug: (or if Mark Warner and General Clark decide to team up)..

..that Hlinko is a major part of the campaign again!!

Here's a website for John Hlinko. I see he won some awards.
I bet he'll be around when the time comes.


http://www.hlinko.com/

Bayh 184 votes - 1 %
Biden 224 votes - 1 %
Clark 3142 votes - 26 %
Clinton 721 votes - 6 %
Edwards 1441 votes - 12 %
Feingold 2294 votes - 19 %
Kerry 296 votes - 2 %
Richardson 611 votes - 5 %
Vilsack 63 votes - 0 %
Warner 1755 votes - 14 %
Other 336 votes - 2 %
No frickin' clue 720 votes - 6 %


And the media still keeps feeding us "Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!!"

:eyes:

On the General, and what's up with "us"!

Sen. Clinton Sliding in Far-Left Poll
November 25, 2005 10:09 AM EST

By Sher Zieve – As Senator Hillary Clinton makes preparations to run for President of the United States in 2008, she has begun positioning herself as a more centrist candidate. NewsMax reports that the left-leaning website Daily Kos shows that its latest poll indicates Sen. Clinton’s popularity has slipped with her left-wing base.
Beginning the summer with 10% backing from the Left, Clinton has now dropped to a 6% approval rating. John Kerry, with a 2% approval rating, is the only potential presidential candidate who currently trails Clinton in the online poll.

With a 26% approval rating, Daily Kos shows former General Wesley Clark as the front-runner with the Left.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=10245

Wonder how they'll try to keep us and he down? Promote another "Democratic star" perhaps. Mmmmm....Warner? That's my guess.

I voted!

His loves his Country and the people in it. He loves the World, and wants his Country to be the Light of the World that all Americans can be proud of. His work with the Senate and Congress, now is beginning to show that we can all come together, and start solving the screwups of the BushCo administration.

Got my Clark '08 T-shirt this summer. Just ordered a Clark hoodie and a beautiful Clark sweatshirt.

One short-sleeve t-shirt, and two long-sleeve t-shirts, and "Clark in '08 for President - It's Time For A Real Commander-In-Chief" bumper sticker - I have given several of these away, and they are on bumpers in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Colorado.

:cry:

n/t

instead of a Political Calculator for personal gain?

So shoot ME!

For those who "watch" Clark threads, but don't know Wes Clark....this one's for you; a sypnosis!

Profile of Retired US Army General Wesley Clark

Retired US Army Four-Star General Wesley Clark : General Wesley Clark is a retired four-star US Army general. He commanded the NATO operation in Kosovo from 1997 to 2000 as Supreme Allied Commander. A Vietnam veteran, he served in the Army from 1968 to 2000, retiring after political wrangling with Washington.

Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2000, made a Knight of the British Empire and earned a Purple Heart, Bronze Star, Silver Star and Army Distinguished Service Medal, plus 30 more honors from the US and abroad.

Recent Notoriety: In a June 2005 poll of 14,000 DailyKos readers, Wesley Clark was the surprise top choice for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination with 26% of the votes, followed by 17% for "no frickin' clue," and 10% each for Senators Clinton and Feingold.

Clark was a 2004 candidate for five months but dropped out after winning only one primary. Clark was let go in 2003 from his broadcast stint as CNN military analyst. Critics contend that the White House pushed CNN to fire the popular Clark.

Political Views and Stances:General Wes Clark is a moderate liberal with impeccable national security credentials. He holds strong pro-environmental views, and equally strong pro-civil rights stances. He supports equal opportunity for gays in military service, and believes that reproductive decisions should be between a woman and her doctor.

He's a fiscal moderate who urges return to balancing the federal budget, reduction of the budget and trade deficits, and would repeal all Bush tax cuts for wealthy Americans.

West Point & Oxford University: After a distinguished high school career, Wesley Clark obtained his cherished goal: appointment to West Point. While Clark chafed at the "inspections, polishing shoes, marching in parades," he regarded West Point as "a means to an end...I liked the chance to make a difference." He was drawn to international relations studies.

Clark graduated first in his West Point class. He then won and accepted a two-year Rhodes scholarship to Oxford University before entering the Army.

Early US Army Career: Clark entered the Army in 1968, was called to Vietnam duty in 1969, and shot 4 times in one 1970 combat incident. He returned and served 2 more years in Vietnam. In the 1970s, Clark was a West Point professor of social science, and served in various vital Washington DC Defense Department positions, including White House Fellow from 1975-76, along with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Clark next commanded battalions in Germany and Colorado, and earned promotion to general.

Later Career in the US Armed Forces: During the Persian Gulf War, Clark was Commanding General of the Army National Training Center, in charge of arranging 3 deployments to Kuiwait during Operation Desert Storm. A 1994 promotion placed Clark in a key Joint Chiefs of Staff strategy position. In 1997, he was made Supreme Allied Commander, head of US military activites in 89 countries and of all NATO forces in Europe. He oversaw the Kosovo conflict, and played a strong role in negotiating peace in Bosnia.

Personal Data:

Birth - December 23, 1944 in Chicago; moved to Little Rock in 1949

Youth - Mentored by the director of the local Boys Club of America

High School - Class valedictorian, President of the National Honor Society, led swim team to state championship

Family - Married since 1966 to Gert Kingston, who he met at a Navy USO dance; one son, two grandsons. Daughter in Law is of Columbian origins.

Faith - Christian. Raised Southern Baptist. Converted to Roman Catholic when married. Now attends Presbyterian church services.

Interesting Personal Notes: Clark's beloved devout Jewish father died suddenly when Wesley was 4 years old. His widowed mother moved back to her hometown of Little Rock, Arkansas. Cognizant of Southern anti-semitism, she hid his Russian Jewish immigrant roots from him. He learned of his ancestry while, as an Oxford student, he was contacted by his father's family.

Clark's father was a handsome Chicago attorney and Democratic politician and activist. At his funeral, people lined up for blocks to pay their respects.

The Wesley Clark Persona: Wesley Clark is private, ambitious and competitive with great intellectual powers, a blend that inspires jealousy more than friendship. He's telegenic with a star-quality smile, and at ease in front of cameras. Clark can be self-effacing, relaxed and funny at times, intense and tightly wound at other times.

He was described in a 1980 magazine article as someone "who took everything seriously...who would be able to inspire the troops and earn their respect, but probably not...earn their love."

Memorable Quotes: Referring to the present Bush Administration, "I think we're at risk with our democracy. I think we're dealing with the most closed, imperialistic, nastiest administration in living memory. They even put Richard Nixon to shame."

"There are two big legacies we leave to our children: Constitutional government and the environmental itself."

"I'm pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-environment and pro-labor. I was either going to be the loneliest Republican in America, or I was going to be a happy Democrat."

"It was my belief in service that led me to West Point. It was the year after John F. Kennedy admonished us to ask not what our country could do for us, but what we could do for our country....I wanted to be an officer and leader in the Army."

"It is in the best interest of our country to promote stable communities and families. I believe that same-sex couples should not be denied rights to pensions, health insurance, family medical leave. bereavement leave, hospital visitation, survivor benefits and other basic legal protections that all families and chldren need."

"One of the principles that we operate on in this country is that leaders are held accountable. The simple truth is that we went into Iraq on the basis of some intuition, some fear, some exaggerated rhetoric and some very, very scanty evidence."

"There are three terrible things that can happen to you in the United States Army, if you're an officer. You can win the Congressional Medal of Honor. You can be a Heisman Trophy winner. Or you can be a Rhodes scholar."

http://usliberals.about.com/od/peopleinthenews/p/WesleyClark.htm

Like Michael Moore said in "Dude, Where's My Country?," Get a friggin' four-star general like Wesley Clark." (I paraphrasing) He went on to say something like "Whassa matter . . . are the Dems afraid they might win?"

I like the quotes from Clark you've posted. Intriguing, I've got a question about Clarks views on the corporate tax cuts that the Bush Administration passed. He says that he would repeal the personal tax cuts, I'm wondering if he has a stance on the huge giveaways to the oil industry and the big tax cuts that the large corporations got along with the wealthy americans. In other words has he spoken out strongly against Haliburton and the no-bid contracts under Bush? If so, can you point me to some statements or speeches?

I think he could get alot of Kucinich '04 backers to come along for the ride if that message was out there, and many non-neocon republican voters are fed up with the crony capitalism.

Anyways Happy Turkey Day Clarkies! Your guy is lookin better the more I discover!

Cheers :toast:

I think I can be sure he will not support expansion of the culture of corruption as practiced by the Repubs, but going for a full scale assault on capitalism (or enough to get painted as such) is not a good idea and I suspect his theories are a bit too nuanced to attract many kucinich voters. (I realize Kucinich has a bigger tent than some believe, but here in Seattle, it is dominated by Socialist and proponants of experimental economies:)He does have a degree in economics, Taught economics at West Point,is a partner in an investment banking practice, and has spoke about the silliness of the estate tax repeal rhetoric, as well as pointed out that capitolism with out rules and regulations, is not really a "level playing field. His economic papers will be back on his web site soon but the archive is being rebuilt as it is moved from an older server. There will be a link to it from www.securingamerica.com when the transition is done.

bout what a mistake it was to run Kerry instead of Clark?

With people like Wes in this country, why oh why are we stuck with this AWFUL PRESIDENT??/?

Nice concise outline of what Clark has done and said. I appreciate you putting it together.

In My Live Journal. I didn't think you'd mind.
Great user name btw..LOVE IT!:pals:

Good to hear from you:)

and not since Bobby Kennedy have I been so inspired by a public figure as I have been by Wes Clark. CLARK '08 !!!!!
PS I think we are a clear majority on this board.

but, yet, the media still won't mention his name. :grr:

Do you remember that segment on CNN where Clark was clearing kicking butt and the announcers, who were showing political blogs, including the monthly Kos poll, ONLY commented on the fact that "No Friggin' Clue" was in No. 2? Never even MENTIONED Clark was No. 1 or that Hillary wasn't on the radar... just said, "No Friggin Clue is No. 2." :grr: again.

In print AND broadcast media. And, when it came to the VP pick, they'd reach for all SORTS of long-shots and still not mention Clark on the list of possibilities. I mean, they'd say "another name being floated is Santa Claus" before they'd say his name. It was ridiculous.

Convention in '04 and he was tremendous. My favorite part of the speech was when he left the podium, went to the back of the stage and returned carrying the American Flag.Speaking for all of us Democrats, he proclaimed that this was our flag too. I am so sick of the chickenhawks on the right claiming the role of the only true patriots it was bracing to see a Liberal with an impeccable military record take back what the RW constantly tries to steal from us.
Good Luck Wes, I am with you all the way to the White House.

...and get this, I support him whether or not he decides to run. He has never lied to us. Not once. Never. And he when speaks, he says things that I've waited all my life to hear someone say to the public.

He is our generation's Marshall, a man who would have made a great president. A great intellect, a great leader, and a great humanitarian. What more can we ask for?

to and support both if they ran.

I'm vocal on a lot of other things, too. :7

...from even before he actually announced in the last election. I still think he would have run a better campaign then Kerry.

to run Kerry instead of Clark?

nt

Proudly.

run Kerry instead of CLark?

Count us in!

Always great to have another Clark supporter.

Hope to run as a Clark delegate again in '08.

I like Warner and Edwards, but Clark is king of the hill.....

Wes Clark: All Patriot, No Act

A leader, a brilliant man, & electable nationwide.

The electoral map would be very different with Clark as the nominee...many red states would not be automatically red.

Campaigned for him, met him twice, will work for him again if he runs.

And would support him if he ran again. He's competent, intelligent, and a proven leader. I believe he has the credentials to be an effective president.

citizen J.

instead of Wes?

link?

leave me your email address if you want me to forward it to you. Otherwise: http://securingamerica.com/ccn/blog/464

go to where it says GETTING BUSH OUT!!! ...it's long so just cut and paste it into word perfect.

Between him and Warner for me this time.

are also smart, articulate, courageous and have integrity. But that's just me...:shrug:

him out of a crowd at that point, though I was vaguely aware of him and intrigued at the idea of a Liberal military man of any rank, let alone a general.

Then I read that resume, and was bowled over. He was a throwback to an earlier, theoretically more noble era, when generals were scholars and statesmen as well as soldiers.

And it wasn't until I met the guy that I understood all the fuss about his looks. The camera really doesn't do him justice, though that's true of most people, in my experience.

in the eyes of Clark.

STEVE RENDALL: I'd like to just say that politicians would like to be all things to all people. Our problem is not with Wesley Clark's campaign, it's with the media's portrayal of him.

One point I'd like to say, your listeners should go look at the daily column that Clark wrote for the Times of London, right around the time of the fall of Baghdad. He wrote there, for instance, the day after the fall of Baghdad he wrote "Liberation is at hand. Liberation, the powerful bomb that justifies painful sacrifices, erases lingering doubts and reinforces bold actions." He also wrote that George W. Bush and prime minister Tony Blair "should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt".

but of course, interlopers into this thread spreading their very negative and old ass cut and paste out of context "quotes" should have really attempted to refrain. Thus far, you are the only Flame thrower in this entire thread....and thus far, you have contributed nada to this thread beyond your several post in which you name call a good Democrat and now doing the RW's job while they are on vacation.

Go ahead, Braveheart. I double dog dare ya.

After all, we all want to base our opinions on facts, right?
And I am not just a Clark cheerleader or something. I like Warner a lot too, and there will hopefully be others that pop up in the next three years.

Here is more of the quote...

"As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt. And especially Mr Blair, who skillfully managed tough internal politics, an incredibly powerful and sometimes almost irrationally resolute ally, and concerns within Europe. Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced. And more tough questions remain to be answered."

"Is this victory? Certainly the soldiers and generals can claim success. And surely, for the Iraqis there is a new-found sense of freedom. But remember, this was all about weapons of mass destruction. They haven’t yet been found. It was to continue the struggle against terror, bring democracy to Iraq, and create change, positive change, in the Middle East. And none of that is begun, much less completed."

"Let’s have those parades on the Mall and down Constitution Avenue — but don’t demobilize yet. There’s a lot yet to be done, and not only by the diplomats."

Don't even have a vague candidate for second place either. No one thrills me as much as Wes Clark does from an executive leadership level, national security/foreign policy and liberal intellectual perspective.:)

what's all the fuss about Warner.....He's not in any way in the same league as Wes Clark....no comparison....only credential is one term governor and lotsa $$$$$. Understand that he's hired someone to tutor him on foreign affairs/policy, etc. for his candidacy!!!

We need Wes Clark, who has no political baggage (no congressional votes to answer for), yet has the most "smarts" on all issues, including economics (MS from Oxford U), homeland security, healthcare, u-name-it!. He was NEVER for the Iraq war, but always supports the troops and wants a Repub plan for getting out. He's proposed his own plan.....check out his bio on www.securingamerica.com.

all of the single issue voters and single candidate supporters around DU. Personally, I am delighted to have two people that I really like so far. That wasn't the case for me in 04.

Hillary is the only candidate that really bugs me, I can't imagine what it would be like to just be into one candidate and what to slag all the others.

As for Warner's tutor, I like someone who pushes themselves to learn, admits what they don't know and does something about it. It is one of the many reasons I don't like Bush, he is the exact opposite.

I like Warner, I like Clark and hopefully I will like others. I see what all the fuss is about both candidates.

I never expected anything like this! Wow! Let me also say that once Clark is in the WH, he will win over a lot of people. Thanks everybody (Well, almost everybody - Clarkies, you know who I mean)
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The country would be lucky to have him for a president. We would see what it is like to have a president respected by both parties again ... by the rest of the world again.

I'm a Clarkie and proud!

And now, for the DU debut of my new plate... drum roll please...

Woweee!!
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Clark is the finest public servant who has ever come to my attention. As a nation, I'm not sure we even deserve a president of such high caliber, but I'll work long and hard to help get him elected.

...and well done, Jai! As you know, I'm right across the state line, so I'll be eagerly looking for your plate. And here I am, so proud just to be displaying that fine "General Clark for President '08" bumper sticker!

way to go!!!

I go all the way back to Eisenhower vs. Stevenson and no candidate, or individual, has so impressed me with their intellect, abilities, empathy, and common sense as Wes Clark.

and what a mistake it was to not have him as the nominee instead of Kerry.

If one word can sum up why I've supported Clark for almost three years its "vision". Reading "100 Year Vision" confirmed for me that Clark is a real leader and what this country needs. Someone who thinks past the next election cycle, the next quarterly report, and offers real is what this country has lacked for far too long. Today as the situation grows worse by the day other "leaders" offer only sound bites and slogans, but Clark offers real ideas that offer some hope.

Unlike some others here I am not bothered by Clark's appearences on Fox. George Bush speaks only to carefully screened crowds, but Wes Clark goes right into the lion's den to take on those who have helped take our country in the wrong direction. Preaching to the choir may "fire up the troops" but we need to be out there changing minds and that's what Clark is doing.

Barry

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/blog/464

it's under GETTING BUSH OUT!!!, just cut and paste it into word perfect.

Even though that is probably obvious.

lol

:rofl:

Clark/Dean all the way.

My mind is mainly focused on 2006. Last time I worked for his local supporters in the primaries, but this area is too apathetic for that to have a real effect.

Talk about feeling safer, though. If what Americans want is to feel safer, I can't imagine a better choice than Clark.

Please, Democratic Party, put him in the White House. Bury the R's for generations to come.




Said it the year before, too; called for a criminal investigation into the administration misleading the world into the Iraq war.

One of the original Clarkies! I cried like a baby when he finally jumped in the race in '03.
I truely felt he was the only candidate to beat Bush. He was taking Bush to task for the war, the lies, PNAC....everything, back in '03! Instead of using this great advantage of having a four star General and Rhodes scholar from the south taking the administration to task, the democrats ignored him along with the media and the repubs called him crazy.
Now everything he said has come to pass and they are all scrambling to be on his side of the issues. Unfortunetly the media is still ignoring him. I get so pissed of at the MSM for calling the Dems weak on issues and not having a plan for Iraq. Wes Clark is a democrat with a plan! And he has had it all along! What's the guy gotta do! Wes has shown his loyalty to all the democrats. He has never once backed away from standing up for any of them. It just doesn't seem as though Wes is recognized for what he is........One of the greatest Democrats to serve our country. I hope they come to see and appreciate the leadership Wes could offer.

when they get behind me!

I should make a poll to see how many people have Clark '08 bumper stickers on their vehicles.

although my car isn't nearly as nice looking as Tink's is. I'm hopefully going to remedy that situation soon.:)

I have a Clark 08 and another that says, "Don't Blame Me! I Voted For Wesley Clark."

I also have my original Draft Clark sticker that's faded and peeling, but I can't seem to part with it.

and proudly display it, especially when I pass a car with "W" or "Bush/Cheney 04" sticker....I'd be ashamed to still have it showing!!!

are exactly the reasons the MSM is ignoring him, IMO. The Dark Side is scared to death of him, always has been, so ignoring him, pretending he doesn't exist, is the only way they can deal with him, the only way they can take him down. He's always been their worst nightmare.

Wes Clark in 2008 :patriot:

Don't have time right now to read through this thread. I may write more later after I've read it.

I'm a Clarkie.

a supporter of Clark and the Green Bay Packers.:>) I did support the General in '04 and hope he runs again. His accomplishments in the military and his intelligence leads me to believe he will make an excellent President.

The Green Bay Packers will ALWAYS be my team. My blood will always be green and gold! . . . . . and I will ALWAYS be a CLARKIE!! He's the repug silver bullet!

When he dropped out, I felt like a boyfriend just broke up with me. I really thought he would've been the best president ever!

At this point in the game, anyway, none of the other possibilities are as appealing to me.

On edit: IMO, I don't really think we're a vocal minority. Other people say who they like for '08 all the time, too. There just never seem to be as many as the people who like Clark. At least it just looks that way to me.

(That said, any Democrat elected in '08 will merit champagne and dancing til dawn, as far as I'm concerned.)

But I have a real dilemma regarding Mark Warner ,,,VP material , IMHO.

Clark in '08

I consider Wes Clark a national treasure, capable of leading America better than anyone.

Too honest, too honorable.

visit there after announcing.

Count me in.

office today about Wes Clark.

After a minute he said, maybe you're right. (meaning Wes would be the best candidate)

I like what George McGovern said when he endorsed Clark: "I've been around the political block--and I can tell you, I know a true progressive when I see one. That's why he has my vote. There are a lot of good Democrats in this race, but Wes Clark is the best Democrat."

we're an illusion.

Quoting Clark:

"if people trust your beliefs, your vision, about where the country should go" ......


I am tired of the ordinary. I love Clark's rationality and common sense.
A person like Clark could possibly have a chance of pushing the country back to its senses.

I've about had it with the career politicians. Clark has the depth of experience, belief and vision that could really bring a lot of people along if they were given the chance to really know him...

I've been a Clark fan since '04 and should he run in '08, I look forward to supporting him. I think he would make a great president.

small minority at all. I think that we may actually be a little less vocal than some other groups of candidate supporters. I'm seeing many names here that I didn't even recognize from Clark related discussions, who I wouldn't even have known they were Clark supporters from most of their posts here.

I know there has been a concerted attempt on the part of a small number of people to paint Clark supporters as having been part of some sort of organized plot to take over DU. I've even been accused of being a paid agent a few times (like Clark even has that kind of money). Some people like to buy into that shit and villify and scapegoat us at every opportunity, and when Clark wins polls here, there are always accusations of freeping. Considering the number of silent supporters who nevertheless probably vote in those polls, I find that accusation to be unlikely, but an understandable product of jealousy I guess.

I'm proud to support someone like Clark, and I'm glad to belong to a quality message board like DU where supporters of all good Democrats can come together for a common purpose.

After Al Gore made it clear he wasn't running.

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As am I by Dean, Kerry and Edwards.

My wife and I both voted for him in the '04 primary and hope to see him run again in '08. Heck, I will even work for him like I did Jesse Jackson back in '88

Whoops. No make that three. My mom and sister voted for him too. Four dems for a four star candidate