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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:42 PM
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LTTE in The Day: Lieberman The Kind Of Democrat We Need
May give you an idea on why some CT Dems supporter Lieber-bush.
http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=1742A677-828A-4D6F-B813-2DEEA7E687ED

I was disappointed to read the letter to the editor in which the writer questioned Sen. Joseph Lieberman's credentials as a Democrat (“Is Sen. Lieberman still a Democrat?” Nov. 16).

As a former Democratic mayor, I can tell you from firsthand experience that Sen. Lieberman is exactly the type of Democrat we need: He cares about the issues we care about, he fights the other side when there's an important principle at stake and, maybe most importantly, he's a man of great integrity.

I don't mind when people disagree on issues —- that's what our democracy is all about. But they shouldn't question Sen. Lieberman's commitment to the Democratic Party. To me, he's the best kind of Democrat there is: a man who stands on principle and a man of his word.


I was not born in CT, so I don't share the same kind of loyalty to Lieberman that some CT Dems do. I will respond to this guy but since I had a LTTE published this month, I will have to wait til next month to send it.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:58 PM
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1. Lieberman has presented like a mandrill to the GOP
When he wasn't engaging in meaningless rants about the video game industry. This is integrity? He still thinks the I war is the bee's knees and is prepared and even eager to kiss the ape's butt for the next three years. This kind of senator the democratic party does not need.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:00 PM
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2. I'll take a dead Paul Wellstone over a live Joe Lieberman as "the kind
of democrat we need" any day.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:09 PM
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3. i agree. n/t
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losdiablosgato Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:25 PM
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5. I am convinced that Lieberman would have won in 2004
Whick would you rather have a moderate Dem like Lieberman of GWB?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:30 PM
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6. Neither. I don't like dilemmas.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:32 PM
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8. WOW! I have never heard anyone say that before.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. In order for Joementim to win you would have to assume there where people who voted against the new England catholic librul, but would vote for the New England Jewish librul? I dont think there are a lot of people like that.

And yes, I would rather have Joe than W.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:33 PM
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9. this has been the same strategy for the last 32+ years
move the party farther and farther to the right and look at the result. the party has grown smaller and smaller and less and less relevant
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:51 PM
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10. I don't think Lieberman would have won
simply because the progressive wing of the Democratic wing would have split off and backed a third party candidate in a heartbeat. And why not - Joe's campaign message was "i like * as president and I agree with everything that the GOP is doing, I just would do it nicer".

And there is still the fraud in Ohio and Florida which would have happened no matter who ran.



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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:55 PM
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11. Lieberman would have won? Are you kidding?
He inspires utter REVULSION in me, and I know I'm not alone -- from his let's-placate-and-suck-up-to-the-Republicans to his backstabbing of Gore to his hangdog, droopy, sleepwalking speaking style. I despise him, and I think that sentiment is widespread. He would have inspired Democrats to stay home.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 03:22 PM
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13. Who backstabbed who? Some think Gore backstabbed Lieberman
when he supported Dean.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:30 AM
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23. Gore owed no loyalty at all to Lieberman
after the way Lieberman screwed him over during the 2000 FL recount, when he publicly declared Gore should just give up and he didn't support further recounts. And Gore recognized that it was a mistake to have had Lieberman as his running mate in the first place since he was far more conservative than he seemed and he likely drove away voters from the ticket.

To hell with Lieber-idiot; he can take his "joementum" (which turned into "nomentum" during the primaries) and shove it up his ass.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:16 PM
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28. It's strange how things turn out. Had Gore become President Lieberman
would probably be one of our favorite Dems, because he would have won.

He would probably be the favorite in 08 after Gore had served two terms.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:15 PM
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30. I don't think he would have been
a favorite at all if Gore had won (actually, he DID win, but that's another subject for another thread), because he still would have shown his true conservative colors as VP. And I really don't think that would have endeared him to Dems and other libs and left-leaning independents in 2008.
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:44 PM
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32. Notice I said, "Had Gore become Prez, not had Gore won"
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:03 PM
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37. When was the last time a sitting Democratic VP was denied the nomination
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 12:06 PM by Tom Rinaldo
When he wanted it? Gore got it, Mondale got it, Humphrey got it, Johnston got it. OK, Johnson and Mondale weren't exactly sitting VP's, but you get the idea. If Gore had become President he would have saddled us with Lieberman running in 2008. VP's are careful not to sound too out of synch with their Presidents. They don't get many chances to become unpopular all on their own. Had Gore done well Lieberman would have been our 2008 nominee.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:13 PM
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17. I'm convinced Bob Graham would have won too.
:rofl: :popcorn:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:58 PM
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18. probably --- that I would have welcomed
And remember he did vote against the IWR and is far more progressive than many people realize
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:13 AM
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20. I didn't know that! Thanks for the info.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:26 AM
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22. Lieberman is not a moderate
Dem, he is a Republican in disguise and a shill for the GOP. And if he would have won last year, why is it that he barely got any votes in all of the primaries he ran in? He had such little support that he dropped out of the primaries far earlier than he had planned. How you think he could have won the election, then, is beyond me.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:50 AM
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25. Honestly, it would be hard for me to choose between the two.
The war and the neocon agenda are my biggest issues. Joey is as much an enthusiast of both things as Junior is, but would approach their implementation in a more sober, more intelligent, and more coldly efficient manner than our current idiot. I'm not at all certain that we would be better off in that situation.

Had he been the nominee, I would have voted Green in the last election.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:36 PM
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34. Zell Miller had a good chance, too (if he ran)
doesn't mean i'm itching to vote for Zell
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:09 PM
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38. He would have lost, worse than Kerry.
Lieberman is an uber hawk who supported Bush 100% and still does. Kerry's 2.41% "loss" would have been a 10% loss for Joe. The base would have stayed home and swing voters would have split more evenly seeing that Joe offered few alternatives to Bush.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:23 PM
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4. I remember him on Wolf Blitzer
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 01:25 PM by Douglas Carpenter
trying to "assure" everyone that John Kerry is moving to the same position as George W. Bush regarding the war in Iraq; like that was a good thing.

he may be better than an "average" Republican Senator, but only marginally.

his devotion to K-Street and to unfettered militarism is not integrity. it is immoral

if we want to know why many Americans don't think the Democratic Party stands for anything and has no values-- Joe Lieberman says it all.

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:31 PM
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7. Hey, the Bushenfurher likes him, he said so last week he said:
"Fine Democrats like Senator Joe Lieberman share the view that we must prevail in Iraq."

://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2ODIwMjY3JnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5Mg==

Can't argue with a man who knows how to open doors
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 02:29 PM
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12. This letter doesn't tell me why
It just speaks unsuppored platitudes.."he cares about the issues we care about"..yeah some of them, but ultimately the Iraq war is THE issue because it's draining so many dollars and resources from all social programs, is it not? and "fights the other side" uh..again he seems like appeasment central-but then why not for him? if defense is his raison de etre and he like the "Bush vision".

He either doesn't care or doesn't understand that the things Bush has tried to do-totally dismantle the new deal, pay off journalists so all we have is paid propapanda, allow TORTURE are just a few examples of things that are fundamentally destroying any values this country ever had. Bush is rotten to the core and appeasment of him, even by those that might "mean well" is killing America.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:29 PM
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14. This letter says nothing. Could say this about anyone. It has no meaning
Cites nothing he's even done.

This is the pat speech, letter given for someone who has essentially done nothing but you have to figure out something nice to say about him/her.

Lieberman is in fact quite the contrary of all these things. It has become clear he DOES NOT care about the issues we care about, he wouldn't know principle if it hit him over the head, and he so CLEARLY has not commitment whatsoever to the Democratic party.

We are truly through the looking glass these days.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:00 AM
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26. It was written by a former mayor.
Could it have been written by Ed Koch? He's ostensibly a "Democrat", but endorsed and voted for * in the last election. I could see where someone like that would be approving of Lieberman.:shrug:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:41 PM
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15. Did Ken Mehlman sign it?
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:09 PM
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16. ..........


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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:33 AM
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24. Yep. That about says
it all, doesn't it?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:06 AM
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19. a millionaire owned by financial interests
that's the kind of democrat we need?

No, Russ Feingold is the kind of democrat we need. A clean democrat.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:29 AM
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36. bttft
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:23 AM
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21. Lieber-idiot is a new kind
of Democrat-the Republican kind! He should just switch parties and make it official already.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:26 AM
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27. Senator Leperman?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:30 PM
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29. The key here is the writer is a FORMER Democratic mayor
What does he do now?

William L. Satti Sr., director of public affairs for the Mashantucket Pequots
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:25 PM
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31. No, and No way. This guy is the King of the Dem lite group.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:59 PM
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33. I don't particularly care for him, but
he is a hell of a lot better than some Repub Senator would be.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:09 PM
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39. I agree.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:41 PM
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35. Lieberman/Biden/Clinton Ossified wooden center of the DLC
FU Joe! Eat me Joe! B-low me Hillary! YOU ARE THE ENEMY!


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