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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:02 PM
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some asshole posted this on another board and i would love DU rebuttal
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Welcome To The Republican Party...

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was
deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a
feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her
father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he
thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs.
The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the
truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she
answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that
it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very
difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go
out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for
a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she
spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular
on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the
parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because
she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend
who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly
that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired
back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done
next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail
off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the
Republican Party."
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:05 PM
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1. What smarmy nonsense
Typical smug Repub. crap.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:06 PM
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2. Is "audrey" actually "dubya" ? n/t
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:24 PM
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12. Audrey for President!!
If her parents are well-connected, if she's got inherited money, and if she can "swagger" like an ape, she's got a grand future ahead of her in the Republican party.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:34 PM
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18. .
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 03:35 PM by occuserpens
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:17 AM
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58. Really! No matter her GPA if she has money and connections

She will do better than the 4.0. THAT is the GOP legacy that money and power, not ability determine success
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:10 PM
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3. Try this:
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 03:14 PM by ocelot
A Day in the Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work.He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:02 PM
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25. I've been looking for this
Thanks!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:15 PM
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42. Thank you. The RW logic is as sick as old Soviet propaganda.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:11 PM
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4. The poor are poor because they're lazy. The sick want to be sick. A good
sick poor person would understand that they should go to their room and quietly die, and not bother their more successful fellow citizens.

Above is a paraphrase of a letter to the editor of the London Times printed in 1896.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:11 PM
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5. How cute
But my BS meter is now jammed way past maximum.

Maybe I will get a new one for XMAS.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:13 PM
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6. Again, it presumes the poor are just LAZY.
In the real world, Audrey typed all the daughter's papers and did research for her, and thus helped her get those grades.

Audrey doesn't have the same family support as the daughter, and has to work two jobs to pay for tuition.

Audrey lives in a community where desperation, drugs, and crime make daily existence a challenge.

Audrey is disabled and has no health insurance.

The comparison in this little rightwing parable presumes that Audrey and the daughter are on an equal, level playing field, and Audrey is simply lazy. THAT is the lie.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:13 PM
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28. They even accuse the homeless of that!
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:14 PM
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7. The true story
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 04:04 PM by Onlooker
Welcome To The Republican Party...

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. She barely has a 2.0 GPA. Unlike me, she has to work full-time, take care of her children since her husband skipped out, and it leaves very little time for all the studying."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go babysit for her, and maybe give her a few bucks from your trust fund to help her out."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! Those kids are her problem, not mine, and the money is mine, and grandpa would not have wanted me to give it to the needy!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:15 PM
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8. Good one!!
:thumbsup:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:22 PM
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11. omg...... that is EXCELLENT!!!!
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:27 PM
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14. Ha Haaa! I bet I know the version Readers Digest will want. n/t
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:33 PM
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16. I like your version better.
:hi:
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:44 PM
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20. Good job!!! n/t
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:53 PM
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23. ..
>> Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. She barely has a 2.0 GPA. Unlike me, she has to work full-time, take care of her children since her husband skipped out, and it leaves very little time for all the studying."

>> Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go babysit for her, and maybe give her a few bucks from your trust fund to help her out."


so anyone who does well in school is a rich Republican?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:46 PM
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39. Congratulations. You get the award for
"Worst Comprehension Skills of the Week."
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:07 PM
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26. Fantastic!
I sure hope someone sends me the rw version so I can use yours in response!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:21 PM
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30. An absolute classic!
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:05 PM
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41. This . . . this is why I read the replies
I was going to come up with something similar. After reading yours I concluded mine would not have been nearly as good. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face and saving me the time!
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:15 PM
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9. A few thoughts
First, Repukes use the worst analogies. Their analogies never accurately describe the situation.

As far as the GPA story - GPA'a are NOT a taxable entity. When you work and earn money, you do it knowing that your income is taxable. I believe in a fair tax system - I do not know what that would entail, but I do know that people who earn more have more at stake. And to pay their fair share should an easy argument.

The GPA analogy used in your post is like comparing apples and oranges.
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:46 PM
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38. If your GPA could be inherited, it would be generous to share a point. nt
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cpamomfromtexas Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:47 PM
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67. Fairer tax discussion
First of all wealth should not be taxed less than work. If any incentive is given at all for investments, it should require that those investments support AMERICAN jobs and AMERICAN exports.

Any investment in any company that has offshored to evade taxes and outsourced American jobs in the last 30 years or so, should have any of their products coming into the US subject to severe tariffs.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:18 PM
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10. The GOP are always trying to solve the only problem the U.S. doesn't...
have--rich people having enough money.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:23 PM
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31. Hilarious!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:26 PM
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13. What a stupid analogy
If Dad's suggestion was accurate, it would be like "since you're doing so well, why don't you see if there is any way you can help Audry bring her grades up?"

Anytime you hear the phrase "redistribution of wealth" it is code for "look over here at the five bucks going to some single mom to help feed the kid she has because she couldn't get an abortion after she was raped, while we give five billion to the corporation that just sent your job overseas."

please let us know what you responded with....

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:28 PM
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15. This is ASTROTURF... and the pubbies spend months
developing it.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:36 PM
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66. This is ancient
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 04:37 PM by depakid
Versions of this little homily have been floating around for over 20 years....
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:34 PM
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17. What a shitty analogy
Comparing a personal grade to money and resources is absurd.

Grades have no intrinsic value of their own, are not transferrable and are largely an abstract concept.

Money and resources are very real and very tranferrable.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:36 PM
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19. Welcome to rightist propaganda
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 03:37 PM by occuserpens
Apparently, this girl is a victim of leftist political moralism which is not a bit better than rightist one. She just feels that redistribution of her school grades is unfair and immoral, so she fiercely objects this idea. Anyhow reasonably, she'd respond like follows.

-- She cannot ask for grades redistribution because it is against the rules, this is not the way grading works.
-- It makes no sense to introduce redistributable grades. If you can't pilot a jet, redistribution won't help you to do this. However, pilots with "redistributed" grades are deadly dangerous.
-- With wealth, it is completely different. There is no way to build roads and maintain armies without wealth redistribution through taxation. Taxes were invented long before Christ, and early tax collectors were nothing like lefties!
-- Nobody likes to pay taxes. So, to justify tax cuts for the rich, rightists use to invent propaganda tools like this one.

Welcome to the Republican Party

Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and ask why she couldn't take 1.0 off her 4.0 and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA.

The daughter angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair, I worked really hard for mine and Mary has done nothing".

The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party".
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:28 PM
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34. Delete...wrong place for response
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 05:29 PM by Contrary1
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:48 PM
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68. hmm?
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:44 PM
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21. Viewed with strict economic thinking, you cannot fault the father, or the
daughter. . . . But, considering social, ethical, philosophical issues there are problems--hence the beatings that Republicans take when claims of "compassionate conservatism" are thrown casually about.

Personally, to those who have received greater gifts of intelligence, wealth, etc. the greater responsibility of stewardship falls to them. Social groupings seem always to have stratas of ability; the true mark of a socially enlightened group is how well every member is encouraged and supported to be the best that they may be.

I would say that analogies like the one that you found are rooted deeply in the arrogance of superiority, and the denial of dependence that socially bind us all. From a cultural standpoint, North Americans are, and have been, nearly bankrupt on social ideals for many years.

NoFederales
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:56 PM
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48. I was going to say something like that, but I'll defer to yours. n/t
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:49 PM
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22. Can she pass her grades on to her kids?
This father is mixing apples and oranges. Grades are always earned. The same cannot be said for money. Republicans are all about inheritance, not merit.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:02 PM
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24. Oh, really
What great things did Paris Hilton do to earn all her $$$? Poor people often work more than one job and still can't get by. Who's the more "productive"?
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:09 PM
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27. The rich deserve to be rich, the poor deserve to be poor. It's classic
repuke justification for an economic structure which guarantees that many, many hard-working americans will spend their entire lives just getting by, so that the very few will be able to enjoy obscene amounts of unearned, undeserved wealth.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:15 PM
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29. SIMPLISTIC BULL
OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE WEB-SITE. YES, INDEED I WOULD.

OH, there is so much to say about the post you cited. Where to start, where to start. Okay, let's start with the tax code. Much of the inequity in the tax code has to do with the favorable treatment of Capital Gains and Dividends. While it's true someone took some risk of investment on to get those gains sometimes, as in the case of George W. the capital gains are merely a gift from a wealthy friend, like when a friend of the family bought out his interest in a failing company. THis was actually just a gift, a bequest, as it were.
Anyway, capital gains and dividends have had the taxation rates lowered during the Bush administration.

But lets's really get at the heart of the matter. ONe of the inherent problems with our capitalist system (which of course is the only way to go, economically, but it has excesses which must be addressed) is te concentration of capital in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Over tiime this eventually puts a crimp in economic growth as you don't have robust economic growth unless the majority of the people have enough money to create adequate demand for products and services which produces the economic growth.
Back in the beginning of the 20th century the very rich were getting richer and richer and thought things were just wonderful. they were getting richer and wages for the "common folk" (that is the people who work for a paycheck) were being kept down (the commie labor unions couldn't organize and strike for better wages then).
But eventually, all the products the companies were making started to pile up in inventory and the companies started laying people off. And the demand for products contracted more, leading to more accumulation of inventory and more lay-offs. Of course, the more people who were laid off the less demand and the more lay-offs.

Well, one day the businesses stopped making enough money to maintain the ebullience of the day and guess what, stock prices on the New YOrk Stock exchange couldn't hold up and started to fall -- and fall and fall. Many formerly wealthy people were wiped out. Some stepped out of windows to their deaths.

The moral to this story is you can't have a healthy growing economy if too much of the wealth is concentrated in too few hands. When the wealth is more widely distributed the economy grows stronger, more jobs are created and with more people making a good living, there is healthy growing demand for products that companies have to sell. And guess what? The people with money, if they are invested in the right companies - they become much wealthier than they would have in the old fuedalist kindof system where the rich are very rich and the poor are miserable (with not much money to buy anything but the essentials).

This is something that conservatives will never get. It's the old rule of "what goes around, comes around." But the wealthy and powerful since the days of Marie Antoinette have never gotten it.

Since the rise of unions and the Democratic Party after World War II, our economy grew powerfully (well until the Vietnam War and the arab oil embargo, followed by the Reagan deficit explosion). Sons and daughter's of blue collar workers who never before went to college started going to college in droves (late 50's and 60's). The economy grew on the demand produced by working people having decent wages and new jobs were produced and the children of these workers found good jobs payong good salaries and the rich people - if they had invested in the right areas (which is what we want so the productive industries obtain capital and grow) became much wealthier than they would have been if the great majority of Americans had not had the money to geberate the demand for products that caused the economy to grow and grow.

That's why you have to work to counteract the tendency for capital to concentrate in the hands of fewer and fewer people. And that's why we have to fight the Republican party because their role in life is to help the rich and powerful concentrate their wealth and power even though in the long run it doesn't provide the best growth in the economy.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:36 PM
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32. "The people with money, if they are invested in the right
companies - they become much wealthier than they would have in the old fuedalist kind of system where the rich are very rich and the poor are miserable (with not much money to buy anything but the essentials). This is something that conservatives will never get."

"God scatters the proud in the imagination of their hearts".
It's also how they catch monkeys in India. They bore a hole in the ground just large enough for a monkey to insert its hand, and then they place a peanut in the hole. However, the hole is just small enough to prevent a monkey from withdrawing its hand with the peanut clenched in its palm. And of course, it doesn't have the sense to release the peanut.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:15 PM
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60.  MONKEYS ARE TOO MUCH LIKE PEOPLE TO BE ATTRACTIVE
Yes, this is a wonderful statement about human greed. If the monkeys weren't so damn greedy they wouldn't get caught.
I actually read an account of this technique in an old Frank Buck book. They would put rice inside hollowed out cocanuts with holes just big enough for the monkeys to put their hands through but not big enough to admit the hands formed into a fist. the coconuts were chained to the ground. The monkeys would reach in and grab the rice in their hands and then couldn't pull their fistful of rice out of the coconuts. Since the coconuts were chained to the ground, the men would just walk up to the monkeys, who were jumping around in fright but couldn't get away unless they released the rice in their fists. The men just walked up and grabbed the monkeys, because the monkeys, scared as they were, were too greedy to let go of the rice!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:38 PM
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62. "In his riches man lacks wisdom,
he is like the beasts that are destroyed". Psalm 48(49)

It's a fantastic real-life parable of the infernal prioritization of earthly assets over heavenly ones, because in the Christian Gospel terms, the ground would symbolise earthly affairs and preoccupations.

Remember the parable of the talents, in which the schmuck, the "natural man", given just one talent (a unit, so to speak, of love / charity) buried it in a hole in the ground. One example of this squandering of even such a small propensity for charity might, for example, be the way in which we choose to do "favours" for those who can return our favours and are likely to do so - mutual back-scratching. Ask DeLay about it; when Christ admonished us to do such favours for those cannot return our favours, i.e. to act out of selfless love. This would be the kind of use made of the talents by the men respectively given five and ten talents a piece.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:09 PM
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33. a few years later...
The father asks the daughter at the dinner table, "How's your old friend Audrey?"

"Audrey? no friend of mine Dad. You know she inherited all that money and is running her family's business in India. When I called her after your indictment and the fall of our family business, she returned my call and said I was much too pompous and arrogant and how dare I call her for help! She actually suggested I get a job at WalMart and quit begging!"

Welcome to the Republican Party.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:40 PM
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44. What goes around..... but the party girl really didn't say she was not a
repub and some 4.0 students don't have to devote so much to their studies that they give up their social life. Many College Democrats are very studious, popular, and charitable.Just cause her Dad chooses to point out a friend who perhaps isn't taking her education seriously
doesn't mean he should discourage his daughter from responding to a world of need. It doesn't take a repub to know that all things cannot be equal but it takes a human to try to make things a little better for all.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:30 PM
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35. Send him his very own copy of the Repub Anthem:
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 05:31 PM by Contrary1
Another Day In Paradise
Phil Collins

She calls out to the man on the street
Sir, can you help me?
It is cold and I have nowhere to sleep
Is there somewhere you can tell me?

He walks on, doesn't look back
He pretends he can't hear her
Starts to whistle as he crosses the street
Seems embarrased to be there

She calls out to the man on the street
He can see she's been crying
She's got blisters on the soles of her feet
Can't walk but she is trying

Oh Lord, is there nothing more anybody can do
Oh Lord, there must be something you can say

You can tell from the lines on her face
you can see that she's been there
Probably been moved on from every place
'Cause she didn't fit in there

Oh, think twice, it's just another day for you,
you and me in paradise
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:57 AM
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56. What a sickener. I seem to remember Phil Collins was
a Thatcher-supporter. Fine words can be so cheap, especially in the mouth of a singer. You seem to have a lot of genuinely compassionate, socially-responsible people in the entertainment industry over there, whereas in the UK, the superficiality and selfishness of the majority is striking.

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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:37 PM
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36. Hotel maids, construction workers and day laborers
work harder than CEOs and most millionaires.

If income was earned based on how hard you work, most people in wealthy neighborhoods would be poor.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:42 PM
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37. Here's mine.
Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular
on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the
parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because
she's too hung over."

"Well, that figures," said the father glumly. "Audrey's dad is a frat brother of some republican head honchos and worked for two years in the Bush administration. He parlayed his connections into hundreds of millions of lucrative, no-bid contracts for his 'consulting' firm, Hallibech. Audrey is probably doing the same thing."

"But daddy", she said warily, "surely my 3.8 GPA in engineering is going to serve me better than a bunch of social connections!"

"It will, if you work as cheap as the Indians that are gunning for your job. Thanks to republicans borrowing money from overseas to pay for the contracts going to Audrey's dad, those Indians have a competitive advantage."

"Well, at least my education and hard work will allow me to successfully compete for those lucrative no-bid contracts."

"Honey, for crissakes, you can't compete for the lucrative contracts because they are 'no-bid'. You aren't supposed to be able to win them on merit, by definition. Sometimes I can't believe I paid tuition for you. Look, the republicans hate 'book learnin' and are afraid that truly smart and educated people will look down on them. So for god's sake, go hang out with Audrey and don't talk about grades. Remember how I once helped you with your biology homework? Please put all that evolution stuff in the toilet and don't ever admit having learned it. It'll hold you back."

"I guess I'll just have to work really hard in the private sector."

"Fuckin ay right. But remember, those high wages on paper are going to be eaten up by taxes. Thanks to the republicans exempting all taxes other than those of people who work for a living, people like Audrey, who's gaddam daddy is going to drop a ton of cash on her just for popping out from between the legs of his second wife, are going to have more money than any chump who works for a living ever could have. More than I'll ever have, that's for sure."

"Daddy, I don't like it when you drink."

"Sorry, pumpkin, but it turns out my entire pension just turned out to be worth jack shit. Company's gone bust and declared bankruptcy, and it turns out that the only kinds of debt that aren't forgiven in a bankruptcy are college debt, which you have up the ass, and credit card debt, which I have up the ass. God, even your brother has it better than you, and he's probably never going to make it out of Iraq with all his arms and legs."

"Daddy, I'm depressed. What should we do?"

"I'm a republican, honey. Will do what we always do. Look for someone to push out of the life raft."
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:48 PM
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47. I like your version, too!!
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:53 PM
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40. Oh, for crissake!
Yes. It's true. Anyone who needs help from others just isn't working hard enough. Damn lazy bums. Just cut'em off. They're either partying too much or faking some phoney-baloney disability. . . like my autistic son. What kind of bonehead actually falls for this crap?
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:39 PM
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43. This is a false assumption by the right wing
that those who are living in poverty or who haven't "made it" are that way only because they are lazy. This is the lie that justifies the right-wing philosophy. Using this logic, I suppose all of those homeless Veterans must be lazy, too. Maybe those workers who lost their jobs due to outsourcing must have just been partying all the time. And the kids who grew up in the inner city must have been lazy fetuses!

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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:06 PM
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45. Standard crapola story the pukes send around by email
Usually with something at the bottom like this ...

"if you don't send this to atleast ten people, you're killing baby Jesus!"

Did the Walton heirs "earn" theirs?
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:25 PM
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46. Liberal Democrat = COMMUNIST
...she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

Many (most?) liberals are in favor of progressive taxation - which does redistribute wealth - but they are not advocating the equal distribution of wealth.

An example of progressive taxation:

I make $40,000 a year and Bill Gates makes $350,000,000 a year. My tax rate is 20% and his tax rate is 30%. I pay $8,000 a year in taxes and he pays $105,000,000. This money goes to building roads which will not be maintained, making bombs to blow things up so American corporations can rebuild them, underfunding education, etc. Mr. Gates' money is not going into my bank account.

An example of equal distribution of wealth (with a ridiculously small sample size):

My net worth is $100,000 and Bill Gates has a net worth of $45,000,000,000. To distribute this accumulated wealth equally Mr. Gates would give me $22,499,950,000. "Certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of" wealth. (I will be eagerly awaiting your check Mr. Gates. :) )

Disclaimer: the above are only examples - income, net worth, and tax rates are not actual amounts. (And I am not expecting a check.)

You might want to ask the person who posted this to find you an example of one Democratic politician that is advocating the equal redistribution of wealth. And while you are at it ask him what taxation system they propose in order to eliminate the redistribution of wealth caused by governments taxing people to generate income. I doubt very much if such a thing is possible.
-Make7
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:48 AM
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49. A good piece about this Repug urban legend:
WHAT IS TO COME: GOP AND FALSE ANALOGY

Why are people like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and even Mancow Muller so popular? Because they are the masters of false analogy. False analogy is a rhetorical trick similar to the "Strawman Fallacy" wherein the speaker attempts to discredit some position or argument by providing another position or argument, showing how silly or insane it is, and then insisting they are identical. More precisely, they are an instance of an inductive fallacy.

Politicians, liberal and conservative, like this method. The False Analogy is useful because it comes across as folksy and simple, while also being able to supposedly illustrate a larger point. The modern Republican Party, meaning the coterie of Conservatives who have more or less dominated public discourse since Newt Gingrich's "Contract With America," are slavishly devoted to False Analogy.

While doing research for an article on Senate hopeful Jack Ryan, I came across this wonderful nugget at the website of the Oak Park GOP. It was entitled, "Welcome To The Republican Party"

This is a false analogy because of the way it portrays the distribution of wealth as being Take Away From the Responsible, Give To The Irresponsible.

The insinuation is that the Republican Party believes that anybody who isn't successful, who isn't at the top of the socio-economic ladder, is not only not a hard worker, but also wildly irresponsible--Mary, remember, isn't doing poorly because of some built-in disadvantage, but because she's a drunk, a floozy, and pretty lazy to boot.

Judging by this story, the Republican Party believes that the Democrats want to take away the fruits of the Responsible Americans' labor, and just give it to those ("programs like welfare") who don't want to work as hard. Where it says, "That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA," sounds more like socialism than liberalism, doesn't it?

The Democratic Party platform insists on tax cuts for the the bottom half of families, static taxes for next high 47% or so, and then tax hikes for the top 2%--the people who make more money while they're sleeping, as their money accumulates interest and their stocks appreciate, then the entire rest of the nation makes for an entire year of labor. The Democratic Party is very explicit about making large corporations provide for environmental clean-up that they caused, rather than make the average tax payer pay for them, of eliminating crony capitalism and corporate welfare in order to provide services for the children of the working class. It seems to me they reward hard work much more than do the Republicans.

The intent of this little story is to make casual readers think, "Yeah, hey, wait a minute. Why should that girl give away some of her GPA? I mean, that Mary doesn't do anything! Stupid Mary. I hate 'liberal Democrats!'"

Either Republicans are deliberately misleading, or stupid enough to believe that their party is really all about rewarding hard work. Eliminate the capital gains tax so that people who inheireted money, and then invested it so that they have never had to raise a finger, can sit back and read their ballooning bank statements. That really is a reward for "hard work" isn't it? The elimination of the Estate Tax is supposed to reward hard work? Really? That really justifies passing billions of dollars down to people who have never worked a day in their life, and have exhibited no talent or skill? So the Pritzker children are hard workers and should get that 4.0 GPA, even though every conceivable advantage has been handed to them? Or what about the Hilton Sisters?

Paris Hilton stands to gain a lot from the abolition of the Estate Tax. Seems to me she's more like Mary than the daughter in the above story, doesn't it?

From:

http://chicagolife.blogspot.com/2003_12_07_chicagolife_archive.html
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:54 AM
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50. I'm loving the ACCURATE revisions.
But I'm not so sure you will get any sense to sink into the head of someone who reposts this kind of shit to begin with. Rethug morons.

God luck! :toast:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:18 AM
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51. Slight modifications...
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 04:02 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?" "Audrey's sitting pretty," his daughter replied, "why do you ask?" "Did I not hear you say the other day that she barely has a 2.0 GPA, parties all the time, drinks like a fish, snorts coke, and rarely shows up for classes?" her father answered. "Yeah, so what?" his daughter asked. "Well just how the hell do you figure THAT to be sitting pretty?" her father demanded. "Oh, I thought you knew, Dad, you see, Audrey's father has REAL money---I mean the kind of wealth that makes you look like a pauper. He's in tight with big oil and most all the big war profiteering defense contractors. Audrey tells me she expects to be the first woman President of the United States, and you know what Dad, she's not joking."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to Audrey's father and offer certain favors in return for a prominent future post in Audrey's Cabinet?" "Been there, done that, Dad, turns out the old man's gay," she replied. "Maybe I should pay a visit and make him a most enticing proposal," offered her father. "Better lube and limber up good before you go, Pop, I understand there's no bending at the knees," advised his daughter. "Been there, done that, Sweetheart, don't you worry about old Dad," he reassured.

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's admission, angrily fired back, "I thought you were straight!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

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fnottr Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:45 AM
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52. better watch out....all that straw might catch fire
...and we wouldn't want that big old strawman to burn down would we?

This piece, while almost painfully illogical, does it's job of tapping into common RW sentiments, mainly that wealth is always a result of 'good old fashioned hard work'(tm). By equating grades (which are almost always seen as a measure of hard work and intellegence) to money, it makes it seem like hard work is all it takes to enter the upper crust of society, and that's the only way Republicans sell their economic plan to the non-rich.

Second, it makes the assumptions that liberals want everyone to have the exact same income, which is also pretty stupid. Last I checked the Democrats weren't Communists.

It also taps into the idea of the 'lazy welfare queen' another popular RW myth that somehow people on public assistance have an easier life than working people, and that they would magically get jobs if the welfare was stopped....nevermind that most people on welfare either can't work, can't find work, or (and this is definitly the largest catagory) they DO work, but they still can't make ends meet because the same RW assholes refuse the raise the minimum wage.

The simple fact is in any country, there's shit that has to get done....lots of it, and the money has to come from somewhere. Now where's the best place for it to come from, a working family's food budget, or out of a millionaire's bank account. Who's going to miss the money more?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:14 AM
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53.  But Dad- Audrey's A Republican
And she said she wants to be like dumbya. She said that's the message she got from the refucklican party. Dad, could you go talk to her? See if she falls for your stupid shit. You can come and talk to me when you wake up Dad, but something tells me that'll be a while.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:50 AM
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55. Excellent response
:rofl:
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:47 AM
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54. The author is obviously living in a world
where Republicans are at least, honest. In the real world, a conversation between a Republican father and his college age daughter would go more like this:

...

I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off! Still her grades are way higher than mine. What should I do dad?

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Now, dear, I'm surprised that as a member of a proud Republican family, you had to ask that question. You should, of course, have cheated.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:59 AM
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57. The poor often work as hard if not harder than the rich. In fact,
it's the low wages, high consumer debt of the poor which is making the rich rich.

Furthermore, if we keep rewarding wealth with more wealth and if we keep heaping misery on the poor completely out of proportion with how each struggles to keep the wheel of the economy turning, our entire society will collapse.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:58 AM
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59. Join a fraternity
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 12:00 PM by formercia
they have copies of all the tests and quizzes. I remember grading papers where i would put all the frat ones in a seperate pile and compare answers. Even the typos were the same in many cases.

Excuse my grammar for I was a chem major.
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Abelman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:33 PM
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61. Wow...just...wow
I can't believe anyone would read this and be convinced. It reminds me of the opening scene in "Donnie Darko" where the Dad berates the daughter for voting for Dukakis. He talks about how she won't be able to afford hospital bills because she'll have been taxed to hell. The kicker is she wouldn't need to pay hospital bills, because they'd be government paid.

Anyway, the analogy above makes no sense unless Audrey is only taking 2 credit classes, or something that would result in full marks resulting in a 2.0. Wait, even that doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense that a person would party and all that and live comfortably making only 20,000, first of all.

When you translate GPA into salary, the analogy completely falls apart. I guess I'm sort of rambling.
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personman Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:06 PM
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63. If only our economic system was as fair as most grading systems...
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 04:06 PM by personman
He must be a liberal then? He obviously wants everything as fair and objective as a grading scale. Call him a commie.

-personman
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:19 PM
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64. "very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth"
like, to Halliburton, Bechtel, and the folks carrying Iraqi reconstruction money out of that country in duffel bags?

I, too, harbor an "evil, selfish desire" to keep what is mine. Although granted if my tax dollars were paying for shit like decent public education and a SPHC system I might not mind so much... but as it is, I seriously resent having to fund illegal, brutal, and outrageously expensive wars abroad-- and a $40 Billion a year DEA budget to keep little old ladies on chemo from smoking pot, to name just a couple.

Anyway, I should think the myth of the "fiscally responsible Republican Party" has finally had a stake driven through its heart by this current gang, hasn't it?
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:29 PM
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65. Answer in two words:
Paris Hilton.

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SONUVABUSH Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:25 PM
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69. That guy...
probably also fantasizes about Ann "Snakeneck" Coulter.
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Stil Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:47 PM
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70. A few changes
In honor of the subsidies the republican party gives big business.

Welcome To The Republican Party...

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was
deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a
feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her
father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he
thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs.
The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the
truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she
answered rather haughtily that she had a 2.0 GPA, and let him know that
it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very
difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go
out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for
a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she
spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she has a 3.0 GPA. She is so popular
on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the
parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because
she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend
who only has a 3.0. That way you will both have a 4.0 GPA and certainly
that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired
back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done
next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail
off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the
Republican Party."
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