We cannot forget about this electronic voting problem.

slater71

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Mon Nov-28-05 04:35 PM
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We cannot forget about this electronic voting problem.

We are excited about the possibility of getting the House and the Senate back but if we cannot stop the Die bold juggernaut we will not win anything and we will be scratching our collective asses wondering how it could have happened again. Just my opinion.

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flamin lib

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Mon Nov-28-05 04:43 PM
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1. The GAO has a report on the Ohio irregularities. 107 pages long.

It says that the BBV in Ohio was subject to easy hacking because security wasn't written into the software on some machines, others did not record a backup of data and some could flip a vote without showing it on the screen.

Someone said they heard a blip on NPR, but I haven't seen anything in the MSM.

That would explain the exit poll anomalies.

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abbiehoff

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Mon Nov-28-05 04:49 PM
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2. The die (bold) has been cast

Dems will never again win an important election. They will let the occasional moderate Dem win just to make it look as if everything isn't fixed, but the Repug majority is a done deal....forever unless honest people can be made to see the light.

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BeFree

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Tue Nov-29-05 04:14 PM
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11. Yep

Heck, dems have lost at least twenty important elections already!

Yep, we'd be living in country governed by democrats today, if an accurate accounting of our votes had been totally in place these last 6 years.

As it is, we now fight an uphill battle - just trying to get our voice back, and if we don't utterly crush the evoting we will never make it to the top again.

Congress can mandate that the nation elects it's representatives by paper ballot. That mandate alone would cause the evoting to be severely hurt. Can we get congress to do the right thing? Our democracy depends on it.

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Vidar

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Mon Nov-28-05 04:55 PM
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3. Absolutely right.

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In Truth We Trust

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Mon Nov-28-05 04:59 PM
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4. Paper ballots NOW!!! Hand counts NOW!!! k&r

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jen4clark

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Mon Nov-28-05 05:03 PM
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5. Exactly Right slater71!!!

Please help in spreading this website around.

A good friend spent the better part of the past year researching and writing this as a way to get people on board who don't know what's going on. She tried to write it in a non-partisan way as most people tend to think it's a Dem vs. Repub thing and don't seem to get it that this is effecting ALL OF US. This is the end of democracy as we know it. Until and unless everyone wakes up and sees what is happening to our election system it will be near impossible to stop.

I'd suggest starting off with the intro then jump into The Companies chapter - the information there is so mind blowing that I think it will encourage people to read on.

http://www.whoscounting.net/

We are on our own. We Are the Media.

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OneBlueSky

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Tue Nov-29-05 02:05 AM
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6. the only way to stop e-voting is . . .

for the Democratic Party to get behind a movement to stop it . . . as long as our "leaders" sit on their hands vis-a-vis electronic voting, the Democrats will never again win control of either house of Congress or the presidency . . . if you doubt that, you haven't been paying sufficient attention . . .

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Chicago Democrat

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Tue Nov-29-05 02:28 AM
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7. sorry we have to win without Ohio and Florida for now....

Oh well. its rigged beyond belief, what is needed is a Reagan style sweet which is unrigable-- Then fix it.. Sorry two hands behind you back are tied

So what else is new for Liberals? its okay, remember, we got ethics!

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Tiggeroshii

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Tue Nov-29-05 02:40 AM
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8. Diebold is trying desperately to expand before the midterms

The most vulnerable seats outside of Diebolded Florida and Ohio are located in New England, Texas and California. As long as Diebold is kept out of California and several other states, the Democrats might be able to get enough seats to win the majority. More and more Congresspeople are feeling the preasure from legal authorities to resign and many of these people are in districts wher diebold hasn't expanded. As more resignations come from the highest levels of the House, the Republican leadership will begin to fall. Not from lost elections, but from corruption that can only be dealt with through the legal authorities.

They are all going to prison and their fat ass licking machine is gonna be exposed for what it is...

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tavalon

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Tue Nov-29-05 03:38 AM
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9. Which states have Diebold and which don't?

It's getting late in this process and we may have to cut our losses in the affected states and focus on the ones that haven't been turned to the dark side.

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Kelvin Mace

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Tue Nov-29-05 10:31 AM
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10. Just dealt them a major blow in NC

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1354023

N.C. Judge Declines to Protect Voting Machine Maker Diebold Inc.; Vendor May Pull Out

One of the nation's leading suppliers of electronic voting machines may decide against selling new equipment in North Carolina after a judge declined Monday to protect it from criminal prosecution should it fail to disclose software code as required by state law.

Diebold Inc., which makes automated teller machines and security and voting equipment, is worried it could be charged with a felony if officials determine the company failed to make all of its code some of which is owned by third-party software firms, including Microsoft Corp. available for examination by election officials in case of a voting mishap.

The requirement is part of the minimum voting equipment standards approved by state lawmakers earlier this year following the loss of more than 4,400 electronic ballots in Carteret County during the November 2004 election. The lost votes threw at least one close statewide race into uncertainty for more than two months.

"We will obviously have no alternative but withdraw from the process," said Doug Hanna, a Raleigh-based lawyer representing North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold.

To which we say, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

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hobbywizard

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Tue Nov-29-05 04:40 PM
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12. Agreed in spades

Election reform is a huge issue for me, personally, and I think the Demos should take it up and make it an issue in 2006. If we want *real* will-of-the-people elections in the future we have to elevate this issue to "not goin' away" status pronto, imo.

It'll take some courage from Demo officeholders, because the obvious Repug rebuttal will be to call us crybabies. But that won't necessarily work if we keep the focus on the issue as illustrated in Columbus and other urban areas of OH in 2004 (lack of polling booths that effectively denied the vote), and on the ridiculous notion that it is somehow unnecessary to provide hard backup for electronic polling machines. It makes no common sense whatsoever to decline to provide back-up, and that should be the pitch.

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CanOfWhoopAss

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Tue Nov-29-05 07:17 PM
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13. That is what the odd year elections are for to quell the outrage.

Repukes get to win the even year elections and keep control.

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