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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:48 PM
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anti dlc'ers- put your money where your mouth is.
support christine cegalis. she is being challenged in the primary by her own party, and undermined all over the blogosphere. she is a real progressive candidate, but rahm emmanuel will not support her. the circular firing squad is forming. help her fight. give what you can, even if it is $5.
http://www.cegelisforcongress.com/

please kick.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:55 PM
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1. K & R
What is actblue? And why no friggen paypal! :mad: I make most of my political donations with paypal.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:18 PM
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9. sorry lincoln
i do not know what the deal is on all that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:57 PM
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2. Who is challenging her, for those of us who don't know? nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:59 PM
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3. I believe it is Tammy Duckworth. More about her on this thread in a
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:02 PM
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5. Thank you. n/t
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:06 PM
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6. While Duckworth sounds good
I think she needs to find a seat that nobody plans to go up against a Repug and go for it. Not one a Dem canidate is already running in.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:17 PM
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8. judy biggert is right next door
unopposed.
it is not so much the challenge i object to, it is the tactics of the dccc chair being quoted in the papers repeatedly insisting that cegalis cannot win. scaring away support, then decrying her lack of support. underhanded crap.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:14 PM
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7. sorry. couple threads from du about the whole thing
imho, emmanuel is forming a circular firing squad here. if duckworth wins the primary, i will support her. i hope she is a good candidate, but i do not like the tactics that are being used her, and in other races.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2283091
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2282033
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:42 PM
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12. Thank you, mopinko. n/t
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:39 PM
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17. they're counting on your support regardless of how they get it
what many of us don't yet know, is this battle is not only against the republicans....but a battle for the heart and soul of the democratic party. I'm feeling pretty cynical as to who will win.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:01 PM
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4. Done and Kick and FtheDLC
:) :kick:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:18 PM
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10. thanks. np
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:28 PM
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11. And I NOM too and left a two dollar "tip"
:rofl:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:46 PM
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13. I have already been won over to Cagalis
and I appreciate the discussion about her and the issue of Candidate Selection taking place here and on other DU threads, it was helpful to my reaching a decision on this. However I think your OP subject header is an unfair oversimplification and an appeal to emotion over reason. Rahn Emmanual is a DLC member. So are John Kerry and Marc Warner. Emmanual however received the support of a broad range of Democrats in the House of Representatives to head up the DCCC on their behalf, and he has worked effectively with progressives on other occasions. Other prominent non DLC Illinois Democrats shared Emmanual's perspective that having a different candidate in the district Cagalis is running in should be looked into.

I am just concerned that we not sink into simplistic guilt by association type arguing here. The DCCC may or may not be doing a good job in this or another district, but the DCCC is not the same as the DLC. That is a stretch that I will simply not accept as a given. Having said that however, top down decision making in the Democratic Party is not something that the DLC has a patent on, and it troubles me. Not all Party power brokers are DLC and not all DLC members are Party power brokers. I am concerned about the issues that you raise, I just want them discussed on their merit. There is a proper role for a DCCC. We all get upset when no one goes out and makes sure that we have strong Democrats running for every election. I think the DCCC is wrong here personally, but I felt these points needed to be made none the less.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:34 PM
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15. your point is well taken
and from you, i accept it. the level of discourse here and on other blogs has been frustrating, to say the least. i appreciate your well reasoned contributions to the debate.
but this discussion IS important. how we approach the candidate selection is at the heart of how this party works. and i saw this as clearly a matter of the dean wing vs the corporate wing. cegalis is doing exactly what dean asks. and i don't care what anyone says, a high visibility hunt for another candidate, complete with misleading discussions of your finances, is a well worn tool of the circular firing squad.
we must figure out how to run primaries in THE most democratic fashion possible.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:53 PM
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20. Thank you. And I agree with all your comments here n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:02 PM
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14. I'm sending a donation!
This is not the only place this is happening.
A progressive, grass roots spawned, local Congressional candidate in Minnesota was swatted aside by the DCCC who used their BIG MONEY resources to back their Beltway Anointed candidate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=160&topic_id=14207

The DCCC should be using their resources to help local candidates win races.
The DCCC should NOT be injecting their "Corporate Preferred" candidates into OUR local races.
The DCCC should NOT be using their BIG MONEY resources to "snuff out" the campaigns of local "grass roots" progressives!

From the DLC's OWN Website:
"The New Democrats apparently have begun this long march. The DLC has made training of a new generation of New Democrat leaders one of its primary objectives, continuing its efforts to work with and influence up-and-coming state and local officials. The New Democrat Network has grown quickly, increasing its ability to fund New Democrat candidates for federal office, including those running in primary contests."
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=955&kaid=127&subid=171



By their OWN admission:
*The DLC function is to change the Democratic Party to a more Corporate Owner Friendly Political Party.

*The DLCs function is to reduce the voice of LABOR and the middle class, and INCREASE the power of Corp

"At a time when the public thinks big business has too much influence in Washington, the DLC's mission is to increase the influence of business in the Democratic Party. Or as Simon Rosenberg, head of the DLC's corporate-funded political action committee, the New Democrat Network, put it, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party."
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020805&s=borosage20020726


http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

The DLC (DCCC) is an enemy to the voice of the Middle Class, and an enemy to the voice of grass roots activism.

All Politics is LOCAL????
Not anymore!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:41 PM
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18. And by their other own words....they are NOT set up to influence elections
Sorry but they can't have it both ways, now can they?

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=85&contentid=893

Organization: The DLC is a nonprofit corporation exempt from tax under Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. It is not a political committee and is not organized to influence elections.

Mission: The DLC's mission is to promote public debate within the Democratic Party and the public at large about national and international policy and political issues. Specifically, as the founding organization of the New Democrat movement, the DLC's goal is to modernize the progressive tradition in American politics for the 21st Century by advancing a set of innovative ideas for governing through a national network of elected officials and community leaders."

Could it be they don't know what they are dong?
And thanks, you posted an article I had not seen.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:29 PM
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21. Follow the Corporate Money please:
"Or as Simon Rosenberg, head of the DLC's corporate-funded political action committee, the New Democrat Network, put it, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party."
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020805&s=borosage20020726

"The New Democrat Network has grown quickly, increasing its ability to fund New Democrat candidates for federal office, including those running in primary contests."
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=955&kaid=127&subid=171

It would appear that the DLC doesn't want it BOTH Ways.
The DLC wants it THEIR way, and they will spend whatever it takes to BUY it.
The DLC is committed to an ECONOMIC Agenda, not a Democratic Party agenda.

Can you guess who funds the "Traditional Interest Groups in the Democratic Party" that the DLC wants to marginalize? Who is The DLC and their PAC working for?
While the DLC will not formally disclose its sources of contributions and dues, the full array of its corporate supporters is contained in the program from its annual fall dinner last October, a gala salute to Lieberman that was held at the National Building Museum in Washington. Five tiers of donors are evident: the Board of Advisers, the Policy Roundtable, the Executive Council, the Board of Trustees, and an ad hoc group called the Event Committee--and companies are placed in each tier depending on the size of their check. For $5,000, 180 companies, lobbying firms, and individuals found themselves on the DLC's board of advisers, including British Petroleum, Boeing, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Coca-Cola, Dell, Eli Lilly, Federal Express, Glaxo Wellcome, Intel, Motorola, U.S. Tobacco, Union Carbide, and Xerox, along with trade associations ranging from the American Association of Health Plans to the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. For $10,000, another 85 corporations signed on as the DLC's policy roundtable, including AOL, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Citigroup, Dow, GE, IBM, Oracle, UBS PacifiCare, PaineWebber, Pfizer, Pharmacia and Upjohn, and TRW.

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC's executive council, including Aetna, AT&T, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firms--though senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included. Some donate enormous amounts of money, such as Bernard Schwartz, the chairman and CEO of Loral Space and Communications, who single-handedly finances the entire publication of Blueprint, the DLC's retooled monthly that replaced The New Democrat. "I sought them out, after talking to Michael Steinhardt," says Schwartz. "I like them because the DLC gives resonance to positions on issues that perhaps candidates cannot commit to."

(snip)

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/drey...


And that was written in 2001.

In all fairness, I HAVE NOT been able to directly connect the DCCC (or DSCC) to their Corporate Money Men. There does appear to be a connection. The Chairman of the DCCC is a former member of the DLC, and was until recently prominently featured on their website as a leader and speaker promoting the Economic Issues of the DLC. It was until recently no secret the Rham was a long time insider promoting the change to a more Corporate Friendly Democratic Party.

I do know this about the DCCC:
"The DCCC is supported by the contributions of individuals and other groups from throughout the country who are committed to returning the People's House to the People of this country. We are not an affiliate of the Democratic National Committee and do not receive regular funding from the DNC."
http://www2.dccc.org/about/overview /

If the DCCC is NOT an affiliate of the DNC, nor does it receive funding from the DNC, WHERE does it get the money that it is spending to influence local elections?

NOTE: I was unable to provide the links to the DLC website that documents Rham Emmanuel's connections. The DLC Website has been redesigned, and links to Rham's Economic Philosophy and influence in the organization of the DLC are no longer available. I HAVE stored them, and will be able to provide the (now gone) connections after I find them.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:39 PM
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16. I'll check her out, thanks! n/t
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OrwellwasRight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:53 PM
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19. Done and Kicked.
thanks. We must support progressives!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:11 PM
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22. I just made a small contribution to the Cegalis campaign
ActBlue
Date: 03 Dec 2005
Reference #: 25972

At the very least I want Cegalis to have adequate funding to wage a solid primary campaign if need be. I have nothing against Duckworth at the moment but I think Cegalis earned another shot. If primary voters choose Duckworth over Cegalis, I expect I would then support Duckworth in the General Election. I think a lot of the rhetoric has gotten over heated on both sides. I don't want to create more poison within our Party than needed, I just want to help a good woman get elected. I think putting your money where your mouth is works best under circumstances like these.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:43 PM
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23. kick
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