Have The Attacks (Info) On Your Candidate Changed Your Mind\Vote ???

So much bandwidth being used here, just wondering if any of it is having the desired effect.

I'm still Dean, and still ABB!!!

Are you still with your candidate? Are you ABB?

:shrug:

I still support my candidate and am positively ABB. I will admit that attacks from other candidate's supporters do lower my excitement level for some of the field. But that will probably heal over in time.

BTW, I do mean "attacks": misstatements, attack threads, snide comments on a pro-candidate thread, etc. I don't mean questions on issues, stances, "electibility", and the like.

The attacks contribute to my undecidedness. I'm waiting to see if any of this shit being thrown around will actually stick.

It has been my contention all along that these flame fests change no ones mind. We all know who we want and it is doubtful that any meaningful amount of folks here will change.

Woof

And ABBBNMSTVFL (Anybody But Bush But Need Many Scotches To Vote For Lieberman.)

In most cases, the gleeful posting of negative stories about Dean doesn't bother me cuz it's so pathetically stoopid, obvious, and ineffectual. I mean, who really thinks, after 4th grade, that if you trash someone else it makes you look better. Ditto the ones who piss and moan about electibility and say that if you support Dean you are one step above drooling and wetting yourself. (Great way to win folks over.)

In some cases, when I think Dean has done/said stuff that supplies fodder for negative stories and find that other reasonable people here have the same take, I want to give him the forehead slap, but thus far no reason to change.

The only ones that piss me off are the ones that toss perjoratives like "liar" around and then work overtime to twist and spin to somehow make it stick. (It doesn't)

Sorry, great gang that most of you guys are, you're also totally anonymous and for my main candidate, I look to him and his campaign, rather than my faceless friends here.

All that being said, I DO find that my Number Two choice has changed quite a bit, and what's said here has affected it.

That's why currently Edwards is my second choice - I really love the way he phrases his economic message and he, like his supporters here, are probably the most genial and balanced. The rest are down from there, jockeying mentally in my tiny li'l brain, and some of that has to do with the idiocies displayed here by supporters. If I really DID feel I wanted to switch from Dean, though, I do a helluva lot more reading and listening and research than just coming here.

eileen from OH

Too funny. :bounce: Tough to pronounce too!

I'm likin Edwards a lot more lately too. Dean\Edwards would definitely work for me. But...

First things, first.

:hi:

but the attacks are making me dislike the other candidates more and more and more. I'll be very glad when its over.

My Grandma always said "You attract more bees with honey, than with vinegar". Wise lady.

other candidates' followers. Unfair, maybe, but I'm only human.

Having said that, I will vote for whoever gets the nomination, but not as gladly as might have otherwise been the case.

the more attacks against Dean the more I like him.
I doubt Kucinich will still be running by the time my state votes, but hopefully he will still be in it.

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never, ever ...in fact, it has tainted my appreciation for the other candidates whom the poster supports......

So much energy wasted that could and should be spent attacking the REAL enemy--- the crypto-fascists who threaten to extinguish our right as sovereign people to self-governance. A pity... :puke:

Occasionally someone has an insight about something I overlooked.

In general, however, baseless smears and the repetion of old attacks do nothing.

Y'all can attack the General all you want, but my mind is made up. I don't pay any attention to the attacks on Governor Dean either because my mind is already made up about him, too. I will never support Dean for the primary.

That said, if Dean gets the nomination, I will go to the polls next November, hold my nose firmly and pull the lever for Dean, because I know I do not have the luxury of being picky this time around. I would rather have 4 years of Dean than 4 more years of Smirk.

should he get the nomination, I will do more than go to the poll and "hold my nose" to vote for him. I will work my ass off to get the democratic nominee elected. It is too bad you can't say the same.

just as more of us should be. Our enemies are not the democratic candidates, and it would feel so wonderful to get someone besides the lying occupant of the whitehouse. :toast: :hi:

Still firmly in the Kucinich camp and will be until it's over one way or the other.

Attacks only change immature minds. Info is another story altogether.

whats abb?

Glad ta know you're so committed...

:shrug:

On edit: Oops, misread your post. Sorry batman.

Glad you're with the Good Doctor!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

the Kucinich camp, and have been since last January/February. I am also determined to oust Bush with whoever gets the nomination.

One thing has changed:

Due to agressive attack campaigning, one candidate has dropped from the top to my bottom tier. And I can't say that a vote for that candidate would be enthusiastic or hopeful. But, should he be nominated, he will have my vote.

:hi:

the high esteem I had for some of the other candidates has gone down the tubes. We are seeing great examples of demagoguery from some.

ABB, of course, but I wouldn't eat 20 straight days of ramen to contribute to his campaign if the nominee's not DK.Would probably work hardest to unseat our slimy Repig representative rather than work my buns off in the Presidential campaign.

Ho, ho, ho!!!

:kick:

Or maybe not.

:shrug:

that would cause me to change my mind about Kerry.

That goes for my other choices as well, Gephardt and Edwards.

But I am really surprised by how many attacks there are on both sides, sounds like grammar school. I know, politics are politics, but sheesh-aren't we all really on the same side? I'm not just talking about the anti-Clark stuff, I'm talking about the anti-Dean stuff, too. A lot of it is really vicious. (Sorry, I'm just whining today. I think I need a nap, or a drink.)

:hi:

I needed that! Merry Christmas! :yourock:

:yourock: Too!!!

And a Merry Christmas back atcha!

:hi:

But I've lost a lot of respect for those who continue to repeat the same attacks ad nauseum. I find it interesting to note the congratulations that are offered for such repeats. "Wow! You offered the same critque AGAIN! Amazing! Thanks! We really needed that!" Sorry, I don't even bother with them, anymore. And it appears that I am not alone in ignoring the repete, repete, repete of the usual squad of attackers.

which is a good thing.

the only thing the attacks have done is make me intensely dislike Wesley Clark.

I smell their fear! :D

But I love that "...will need many Scotches to vote for Lieberman." Feel that same way about him, too.

but I have learned a lot about other candidates and their stance, their approach, the logic or lack of their supporters reasons for supporting them, etc.

This sites cracks me up for the most part.

is my first choice and the attacks has probably made Dean more attractive. Overall I will be ABB but my second choice is now Dean and third is Clark.

I am a life- long liberal Democrat. This is my first and possibly last post to DU. I have lurked here for months. I have been a subscriber to Democrats.com and Truthout since their inception. I don't agree with the DLC on every issue. I do, however, think that it is necessary for any Democratic nominee to have the support of the entire Democratic Party. Personally, I have more in common with the DLC than I do with Howard Dean. This statement really ticked me off. I have never been a swing voter. I have always voted my conscience rather than my pocketbook.
For the record. I am supporting Clark, Kerry and/or Edwards. My main issues are national security,education and health care. If Dean gets the nomination, he's made it clear that he doesn't want my vote.

Hmm. I thought we had all decided to get thick skins until after the primaries.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

but ABB all the way!!!!
:kick:

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

:kick::beer::party::hangover::kick:

Still Dean more than ever. The ABD folks do have quite an organization here. I wonder if they know how much damage they are doing to their candidates?

by default. Never saw such a relentless bunch. I thought the Dean supporters were a bit over the top at first but the Clark supporters win the prize now.

Somebody got caught here. (Thread got locked)

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=24191

But, read the whole thread. Pay SPECIAL attention when you see, 'BULLSHIT'!

I'm just pointing this instance out, because for a long time I didn't know how much credence to give the theory that there were campaign operatives working their covert fingers to the nub against fellow Dem candidates here at DU. Guess that shows ya how naieve I am. :silly:

:shrug:

but at least there is debate here, unlike Congress lately.

But after the last few weeks, my candidate of choice is now Kucinich.

But I'm amazed at how many dupes there are on the first page.<shakes head>

However, this forum, which is supposed to be a democratic forum, leaves me wondering sometimes. It seems as though the work is all being done for the crooked administration who now occupies the
whitehouse. I would never think of attacking any of the other
candidates. They're all democrats, and everyone of them have a lot
more going for them than Bush will ever hope to have.:dem: :hi: :thumbsup: After reading Tamara Baker's commentary,
I will do just what she implies: "Believe nothing,Check everything.

Dean all the way!!!!!!!!!!!