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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:29 PM
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I can hear Chris Matthews smacking his lips and saying
Yummy yummy.

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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:31 PM
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1. No kidding! I wish Tweety would put on his knee pads, give shrubby
his Christmas present and be done with it!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:34 PM
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2. yuk--what a visual image.
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cloud_chaser1 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:35 PM
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3. Consider this...
During his Presidency, did you ever once see Dwight Eisenhower in a uniform of any sort. He, more than any of the others, truly earned the right to appear in full uniform but he did not.
We have a civilian government and our President is traditionally a civilian. Its only in small dictatorships where El Jefe parades around in a uniform adorned with meaningless medals he awarded to himself.
Bush is a phoney baloney from the word go.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:59 PM
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4. I was in the Korean conflict and remember those days perfectly
clear. Eisenhower was not a good president. The only thing he did was bring the troops home from Korea. Othan than that he played golf 24/7 and let the GOP run winna muck over the middle class. Plus giving the wealthy tax cuts.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:10 PM
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5. Well Said
and the truth.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:28 PM
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6. Don't minimize Eisenhower...
his efforts (while not enough) on civil rights were a start, and more than any before him had done.

On the list of Presidents in the 20th century, Dwight would be the 2nd highest Republican, right after Teddy.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:50 PM
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7. Show me some links, back up what your saying.
Eisenhower was not that great. A general he was fine. A president that was bought and paid for by the GOP is all that he was.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:00 PM
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8. If you can call this progress have at it.....
The 1960 Civil Rights Act

The 1960 Civil Rights Act was born towards the end of 1958. Following the 1957 Civil Rights Act, Eisenhower introduced another civil rights bill in late 1958, which was his reaction to a violent outbreak of bombings against churches and schools in the South. Though Eisenhower is not automatically linked to the civil rights issue, his contribution, including the 1957 Act, is important as it pushed the whole civil rights issue into the White House.

Once again, politicians from the South were furious over what they saw as Federal interference in state affairs. The bill became an act in 1960 as both parties were fighting for the ‘Black Vote’.

The 1960 Civil Rights Act introduced penalties to be levied against anybody who obstructed someone’s attempt to register to vote or someone’s attempt to actually vote. A Civil Rights Commission was created.

The act barely touched on anything new and Eisenhower, at the end of his term of presidency, was accused of passing the thorny problem of voters’ constitutional rights over to his successor. His more generous critics have stated that at least he recognised there was a problem and attempted to tackle not just the issue but the culture surrounding it. Though the act did little to impress civil rights leaders, they were ready to acknowledge that it was again federal government recognition that a problem existed.

The two Eisenhower civil rights acts only added an extra 3% Black voters to the electoral roll for the 1960 election. Some would argue that this reflected Eisenhower’s failure to really put his weight behind civil rights legislation. Others could argue that after 80 years of federal apathy, something was finally being done and the only way the federal government could go from 1960 was further down the road of advancing the cause of civil rights. This was to lead to two landmark pieces of legislation : the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:14 PM
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9. Considering 3rd place would be Hover or Taft...
it's faint praise indeed.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:25 PM
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10. Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt had a lot to be desired, especially in the
Spanish American war. Imperialism in its finest hour.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:44 PM
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11. Yes, Teddy was all for the "Bully" little war
If he hadn't acceded to the 'muckrakers' progressive agenda, I doubt he would be held in such high regard. I'll give him credit for the national parks system. For that alone, he's the only Republican, besides Lincoln, that was worth a damn.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:51 PM
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12. Good point!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:14 PM
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16. But then again
Unlike Bush and Co he actually FOUGHT in said war, he didn't sit on the sidelines in his cush job as Assistant Secretary of the Navy and cheer it on. Have to give the man that much credit, he was at least a genuine kind of man.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:13 PM
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15. Touche, then again
Keep in mind what the other western powers were doing. The late 19th and early 20th century periods would have been the golden age of Western colonialism anyway.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:12 PM
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18. Didn't Teddy use his own money to send a navy fleet
half way around the world (to force the govt to pay the rest to bring the fleet back to the states) - in order to "show" the world how superior we are :eyes:

Then again - comparatively speaking that is a lot less bloody of a way to show the world how strong we are than bushco's way.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:49 PM
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13. Maybe Hawker and I are the only ones who remember Ike sending troops
...to start integrating Southern schools.

I was a little kid watching the 6 o'clock news a world away from Gov. Orval Faubus in Arkansas, and I got to see white Southerners practically frothing at the mouth at the notion of their children sharing a school with black children.

It was impressive -- my elementary school was in Hawaii, where the population was integrated and intermarried, and I thought that was how normal people lived. Orval Faubus and "Axehandle" Maddox and "Bull" Connor eventually showed me a distinctly other America.

After Brown vs. Board of Education was decided in 1954, and when "with all deliberate speed" appeared to be a ticket to eternal foot-dragging, President Eisenhower, avunculur golf-playing retired hero of WW II, did something no one else had done. He sent in the troops. To integrate the schools.

I'm sure that in the shelves of books that have since been written about the Civil Rights movement, that Ike's actions and motivations have been thoroughly parsed and deconstructed -- as they should be, in the interests of historical accuracy.

But at the time, and for a long time afterward, this is what it meant:

The laws of the United States of America shall apply equally to Northerners and Southerners, to whites and blacks, and if you think you can flout the law by calling out the Arkansas State National Guard or by standing in the schoolhouse door with an axehandle in your hands, you are sorely mistaken.

And that's what I remember.

Hekate


http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0858851.html

> Forced integration led to much violence. The most notable instance
> was the defiance in 1957 of federal orders by Governor Orval Faubus
> of Arkansas, who called out the Arkansas National Guard to prevent
> integration in Little Rock. President Eisenhower responded by sending
> federal troops to enforce the court order for integration.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:10 PM
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17. Ike did one better...
when the Gov. of Arkansas called out the state national guard, Ike NATIONALIZED them (putting them under Federal Control) and then ordered them to do the opposite of what the Gov. of Ark. ordered... all under the supervision of the 101st Airborne, of course.

No, I am not old enough to remember this. But I can read. Ike was in charge when everything was starting to change. The GI bill created a new middle class, integration became the law of the land and he enforced it, the cold war started, etc. etc. Ike would be one of two presidents in the 20th century to actually SUBMIT a balanced budget (the other being B. Clinton).

I'll never argue he was the best... but he's far from the worst. Not with Dick Nixon, Taft, Harding, and RR on the list.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:40 PM
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19. I was an adult and remember and I suggest you read my post #8
for clarification on what your referring too. And Ike certainly didn't do anything worth talking about in my opinion. 3% blacks got the right to vote?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:52 PM
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21. beautiful story! Thank you.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:14 PM
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23. He deserved a ton of credit for that.
We should have sent in more troops into the south more often to deal with the Anti-Civil Rights Terror brought by the segregationists.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:12 PM
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14. Keep in mind
Who the competition would be if you removed TR from the list of 20th Century Republicans. TR stands proud among the greatest of American Presidents regardless of party, if he wasn't on the list then calling Ike the best GOP Pres would be something similar to saying you smell better than a skunk or are taller than a prairie dog.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:43 PM
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20. You're right about Ike, 0007...
I was there too and he was the golf-playing-est Prez ever in the WH.

He did absolutely NOTHING worthwhile. Oh, wait...He DID do a couple of things. I forget what.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:13 PM
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22. Only in dictatorships, do the civilian leaders wear...
military uniforms. That would make Bush??? Come on now, you know the answer
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:44 PM
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24. I've seen Slumpy in his costume in a lot of pictures...
but this is the first time I've noticed how short it
is on him. Maybe he borrowed McCain's?

And what's with the bulge? No, not that one. :evilgrin:
The one below his right knee.
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