Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

CNN: Stephen Hadley can NOT CONFIRM that Al-Qaeda's Rabia is dead

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:09 AM
Original message
CNN: Stephen Hadley can NOT CONFIRM that Al-Qaeda's Rabia is dead
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 11:12 AM by IndianaGreen
CNN: Stephen Hadley can NOT CONFIRM that Rabia is dead

That was the first question Wolf Blitzer just asked him, and Hadley replied that he cannot confirm Rabia's death.

This is on right now on CNN Late Edition

On edit:

The holes in the story from Pakistan about Rabia's "death" were discussed on this LBN thread:

CNN: "Body is missing" (Body of Al-Qaeda leader "killed")


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1963596
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
1. I can't confirm Stephen Hadley is alive..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. *snarf*
:spray::rofl:

Hadley definitely looks like one of the undead.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. Oh, but what happened to the DNA results that the Sheik of Pakistan had
done of Rabia's body that verified who it was? And what about the strange associates of Rabia's who came and claimed the body and authorities allowed them to carry it away and bury it in an unknown location?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. You are asking too many questions, be like a US reporter instead
Take everything the Bush regime tells you as the absolute truth!

We don't want the public to get funny ideas that they are being lied to.

It is better to proclaim "Predator Strike!" and "Al-Qaeda's Number 3 dead" than to talk about the 10 dead Marines and nearly 20 Iraqi troops killed in one day in Iraq.

:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
2. Hadley is now saying that "rendition" was done by prior Administrations
I guess we can blame Clinton for torture!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. How familiar.
"It's Clinton's fault!!"

However, if he said "administrations", he may be referring to...hmmm...who was that guy who held the White House before Clinton?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. heh heh heh! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:19 AM
Response to Original message
3. But it sounds like he's
acknowledging---and defending---"rendition." Slippery slope, and I hope Europe jumps all over the Admin about this.

Keep nudging, Wolf...be a newsman today!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. How was CNN able to flash Carlos the Jackal's picture on the screen?
This is supposed to be an unrehearsed interview, right?

When Wolfie asked Hadley about rendition, Hadley said that rendition had been done by previous Administrations. Hadley then mention the terrorist Carlos the Jackal by name. Immediately CNN puts Carlos's picture on the screen.

If this had been an unrehearsed interview, there would not have been enough time for CNN to have done a computer search for a picture of Carlos the Jackal. It takes a few seconds to even type the name on a keyboard!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. good point!
thanks for that, IndianaGreen...keep 'em honest!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
7. This sounds just like the bs they were saying about "Zarqawi"
"They're checking DNA!"

I guess we'll have to wait a month or so for "Al Quaeda's No. 3" to get killed or captured yet again.

BTW, I thought Bin Laden was Al Quaeda's No. 1, and Ayman Zawahiri was its No. 2... so if this guy Rabia is No. 3, where does that leave the all-powerful Zarqawi?

This is harder than figuring out the structure of Professor Moriarty's Eevil Empire, as described in Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories. But then, Moriarty was a fictional character.

These guys are, of course, real. (Yeah, sure they are.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. You are right, if Iraq's Zarqawi is #3, Rabia could not be any higher 4th
Clearly the MSM used an uncorroborated claim by Pakistan's President Musharraf to trump all of the bad news coming out of Iraq, the 10 dead Marines and the dead 13 Iraqi troops.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:48 AM
Response to Original message
10. They can't even identify the Katrina dead. Give me a break!
Will they put all the king's horses and all the king's men into identifying Al-Qaeda's Rabia? Probably, but who cares? Rabia is just another #2 or #3 with a host of very competent understudies ready to fill his shoes.

LOOK, OVER THERE! Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
11. My guess is that they are trying not to jeopardize the four hostages
by taking credit for knocking of an Al Q big wig.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Bush could care less that the hostages are killed!
The hostages in Iraq are Christian peace activists, the very sort of people that Bush/Cheney have put under surveillance and/or imprisoned in the US.

Bush could care less that the hostages are killed!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. No one wants to see these folks beheaded. Besides it would be bad PR.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Perhaps you did not hear what Rush said should happen to the hostages
I don't listen to that fat ass dope addict, but I got the following e-mail with a link to what Rush said on his show:

Subject: Limbaugh on kidnapping of peace activists in Iraq: "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this"
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:27:56 -0600


Limbaugh on kidnapping of peace activists in Iraq: "I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this"


Audio:

http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/limbaugh-20051130-peace.mp3

On November 29, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh read an Associated Press report about the apparent kidnapping of four Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) activists by an Iraqi insurgent group. Limbaugh announced that "part of me likes this." He explained: "Well, here's why I like it. I like any time a bunch of leftist feel-good hand-wringers are shown reality."

After suggesting that the story "could all be BS ... could all be a stunt," Limbaugh said, "We'll take it face value at first." Addressing the kidnapped CPT activists, Limbaugh said, "(Y)you’ve met the bad guys, and you tried your technique on them, and now you're blindfolded in a room with guns pointed at you and knives at your throat. I don't like that." He then added, "But any time a bunch of people that walk around with the head in the sand practicing a bunch of irresponsible, idiotic theory confront reality, I'm kind of happy about it, because I'm eager for people to see reality, change their minds, if necessary, and have things sized up."

After a caller informed Limbaugh that CPT had recently ended an "Adopt-A-Detainee" letter-writing campaign in which religious congregations and anti-war groups were urged write letters protesting alleged abuses of detainees, Limbaugh added:

LIMBAUGH: (A)s warped as these people are, you know they're going to blame Bush for this. ... They wouldn't have been kidnapped because they wouldn't have been there in the first place if Bush hadn't gone and caused the war and created all these terrorists. I mean, these people are liberals, they're warped. Well, I mean, that's why there's -- I'm telling you, folks, there's a part of me that likes this. Probably, even with this, though, you know, they're not going to see the light of day. They're not going to --

At that point, Limbaugh paused before saying, apparently to someone in his studio, "I know, let them take me out of context. I don't care anymore."

From the November 29 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
14. CNN: Transcript of original report that Rabia's body was missing
CNN has posted the transcript on their website. Nguyen is the CNN anchor, Bokhari is the correspondent in Islamabad, Pakistan:

CNN SATURDAY MORNING NEWS

Aired December 3, 2005 - 10:00 ET

BOKHARI:
Well, you see -- I mean, his name has figured only very recently. I mean, it was really a shock when we heard about that kind of an al Qaeda operative living in that part of Waziristan where the Pakistan army has conducted several raids and the area was consistently being monitored.

Another interesting thing that I would like to share with you is that the body has not been claimed. The authorities have categorically stated that the body has been misplaced or has been taken away by the sympathizer of al Qaeda. So this is also very interesting point, that without having the body of the gentleman, the confirmation is given by the highest authority of this country.

NGUYEN: Salim, hold on just a second. Let's recap this. The body is missing. This Abu Hamza Rabia, the al Qaeda leader there on the ground, what is being called -- the man who's being called a big fish is missing?

BOKHARI: Yes, I'm very -- categorically speaking that so far the authorities are saying that they could not claim the body of Hamza Rabia.

NGUYEN: What proof do you have that he's missing? How do you know?

BOKHARI: Well, you see, there is no clear version from the authorities so far, but it's expected that in another two or three, they will certainly confirm it again that the person who got killed in that blast or that -- whatever that missile attack is Hamza Rabia. That is what they are insisting, that that is Hamza Rabia was one of them who was killed.

NGUYEN: All right. Also, there are others killed in this. Are we learning now that they too are al Qaeda members? Because earlier it was told us to by the interior minister that these were locals.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/03/smn.03.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
16. CNN: Transcript of Hadley's saying he cannot confirm Rabia's death
BLITZER: Abu Hamza Rabia, supposedly the number three Al Qaida operative in Pakistan. Is he dead?

HADLEY: We've seen the reports out of Pakistan. We are looking at it. We are not in a position at this point to publicly declare that he has been killed. If he has been killed, it's a very good development. He was the chief operational planner for Al Qaida after the capture of Abu Faraj al-Libbi.

He was involved in planning assassination attempts against Musharraf. We believe he was involved in planning attacks against the United States. If he is indeed dead, it's a very good thing for Pakistan and for the United States.

BLITZER: If he's dead, how was he killed?

HADLEY: There have been a number of press reports. This is something that occurred on Pakistani soil. They obviously will be the ones who come forward and indicate how this occurred.

BLITZER: We have pictures that seem to show a U.S. Hellfire missile, an American CIA operated drone, a Predator drone, was involved in this killing of this terrorist. Did the CIA, the U.S. government, get involved in killing him on Pakistani soil?

HADLEY: There are conflicting reports as to what happened. Obviously, the United States works very closely with Pakistan. Pakistan has been very aggressive, President Musharraf has been very aggressive going against Al Qaida in Pakistan.

He's been increasingly aggressive at going against Taliban, and we, obviously, are supporting him. But obviously, the details of these kinds of things are things that is best left for the Pakistanis to talk about.

BLITZER: Because they're suggesting it was an explosion, may have been an accidental death.

HADLEY: There are a number of reports at this point that are out there, and obviously, the key question is has this man been killed? Because if he has been killed, it's a real accomplishment in terms of the war on terror.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/04/le.01.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
18. Another vivid showing of how easily they talk but say nothing of
true substance..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
20. Al-Jazeera: Confusion over al-Qaida 'death'
Confusion over al-Qaida 'death'

Sunday 04 December 2005, 20:04 Makka Time, 17:04 GMT


The United States says it cannot confirm the death of Hamza Rabia, an al-Qaida leader Pakistan claims to have killed near the border with Afghanistan.

Stephen Hadley, Bush's National Security Adviser, told Fox News on Sunday: "We have seen those reports out of Pakistan. Obviously, we're looking into them.

"At this point, we are not in a position publicly to confirm that he is dead."

<snip>

Sitting amid the ruins of his home in North Waziristan, Haji Mohammad Siddiq told Reuters that his 17-year-old son and an eight-year-old nephew were killed in a missile attack.

"There were no foreigners in my house," Siddiq said. "I have nothing to do with foreigners or al-Qaida.

"We were sleeping when I heard two explosions in my guest room. When I went there I saw my son, Abdul Wasit, and my eight-year-old nephew, Noor Aziz, were dead.

"I heard more explosions and went out to the courtyard, and when I looked up at the sky, I saw a white drone. I saw a flash of light come from the drone followed by explosions."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FFD2D6D0-307A-4240-B3FE-DFC9DA694EEE.htm



Earlier story posted in DU on this topic:

Al-Qaida denies Pakistan death claim

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CC9A3F4-DE33-4FBF-A71B-2C7FC1591425.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC