Illegal Immigrants - costing Jobs for Democrats?

Illegal Immigrants - are they costing jobs for Democrats?

I suspect today's Neil Lisst political cartoon may not sit well with those who think our borders are imaginary lines in the dirt. It will sit well with those who feel we are being invaded by an army of people who tax our social services and undercut our blue collar workers, a part of the traditional Democratic coalition.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

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Based upon prior discussions here, that could happen. But let's hope it stays civil.

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when I visited Phoenix last week and talked to an old bud about the unemployment situation. One million illegals a year. IMO it's pretty clear something has to be done (it isn't vigilante patrols).

I'm not interested in deportation, either, but of stopping the flow.

that looks good

I blame much of this on U.S. corporate policies.

Example:




http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0423-02.htm

We cannot be a country of hamburger vendors.

Let's don't talk about raising minimum wage. Or a strong force for the Farm Workers in America.

All that can come out of those mealy mouthed greedy politicians that work for the rich fat cat that pay the illegal immigrant less than minimum while charging high prices, "the immigrants are only doing jobs that Americans don't want"

Larry Graig from Idaho sez we need the illegal immigrant or no one would be able to afford agricultures product from the store. I say to Senator Graig. Go fuck yourself, cuz Cesar Chavez would prove you wrong. Then ya got Lou Dobbs, another Idaho moran, acting like he's on our side, but in reality its the Ole' bate & switch game that Lou just loves to play. And fuck yourself too Lou!

those already here.

If you have something to say, please say it.

This thread will sink like a rock along with your attitude. Where no logical reason for your intent is visible. Of course you'll keep kicking it. Be my guest!

The mind reading remark is as silly as what Rumsfeld would say.

Hasta ta Vista.

I'd love to hear what you have to say, if you can manage to put it in words that make sense. I consider your comments to be ill-formed, poorly written, and badly conceived. Instead of actually taking the time and effort to say whatever it is you think you're saying, you puke out a few words that you sling at the post, then you're off to do the same a dozen more times in a dozen more places.

If you want to talk about immigration, jump in. But if you're just going to make your usual hit-and-run nonsense posts, just keep on going.

The latest figures are 11 million, & some put it closer to 18.

I didn't want to argue about the number, and some have estimated it is as low as 5 million, and that is strictly Mexicans, not any other nationality.

It's probably well over 10 million, but I didn't want to undermine the point with a number some felt was too large.

However, the real number is much higher.

We simply cannot afford it. We're displacing the blue collar workers who used to frame houses, put up fences, do construction. Those workers aren't paying taxes, are draining social programs, and are becoming permanently unemployed, or underemployed.

Overtime is gone. Hourly labor gets clipped by the illegal immigrant who will work cheaper.

but I do favor making a strong effort to stop the flow of new people.

so I'll kick this

But it's really nice to have an identifiable target. We just KNOW that Army of Occupation consists of swarthy, heavily armed folks. Thankfully, Los Minutemen will defend us!



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The numbers are staggering, whether 5 million or 20 million.

yes immigration is an issue from the native workers point of view, but the comparison to Iraq doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Back in the day when Democrats won elections, we had this thing called the coalition. You see, we actually cared when poor Americans lost their jobs to illegal workers. They don't vote with us because we don't stand with them any more.

Construction in particular.

They must be paying rent or mortgages, many of them (with fake IDs) will have taxes withheld they will never see and Social Security withheld they will never get. They need clothes, food, vehicles like the rest of us.

I'm not a labor economist, but it doesn't seem like these people are the drain some argue.

I would also venture to say there just might be other factors driving wages down, like a stacked NLRB, declining unionization, and, uh, when was the last time the minimum wage was raised?

And, yeah, your cartoon sucks. Implying an equivalency between the armed forces of the world's superpower invading another country and the individual decisions of millions of people to look for a better life in the North is just shitty.

I do appreciate it.

If you've read my comments, you know that I don't want to deport those 5 million, I want to make them citizens. But I want to stop the inflow, because we don't have the jobs for the citizens we have.

The Walmarts are the reason we have millions of illegal workers. They use them to bust unions, to keep wages down, and they use the social services systems to provide things Walmart should provide.

We are creating American blue collar workers who can't find jobs because they need to make more than a guy living with 6 other guys in a one bedroom apartment.

Those 5 million are unlike citizens in that they ...

1. Spend less of their money HERE
2. Send some of their money out of the country
3. Do not pay taxes and support the governmental burdens
4. But do draw down government services

Who is hurt by this?

* the Americans who can't get those same jobs
* the social services taxed by those unemployed Americans
* other workers, whose hourly rates are impacted downward
* the taxing authorities

Why can these illegal immigrants work cheaper? They don't pay the same things American citizens do, don't support the tax base, and do send money out of the country. There is no question that a dollar which is paid to an American citizen circulates in the US economy more than the same dollar paid to an illegal immigrant.

let's save a job for the Gipper