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Doctor_J

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:03 PM
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Poll question: Weicker v. Lieberman

Would you rather have Liberman and keep a D in that seat, even though he is the worst of the * enables, or relinquish the seat to an I who's much more representative of our beliefs?

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:11 PM
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1. Weicker was the liberal in '74 while Holy Joe ran as a centrist

Now that we know that Holy Joe is nothing but a neocon, he should be defeated at all costs!

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:12 PM
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2. Even if the cost is electing a Republican?

:shrug:

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Jacobin

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:15 PM
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4. Psst. Look at Jim Jeffords record

He's an independent and I like his record WAY better than many Dems.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:25 PM
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6. You're assuming that the Independent would win

What of the possibility of the Republican winning in a three way race? Would that be worth it?

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Jacobin

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:40 PM
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16. Holy Joe needs a wake up call

He is a regular on Faux News. He is a warmonger...one of the worst.

I don't care. He needs to go.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:02 AM
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34. So, Democrats should not appear on the most watched cable news channel?

Just let the Republicans dominate the airwaves without a response?

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Capn Sunshine

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Wed Dec-07-05 11:13 AM
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42. More people watch the "Daily Show" than all day of Faux's viewership

To ascribe any weight to that network gives them power. It's unbelievably biased. Joe appears there because he gets the memos.

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jackbourassa

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:11 AM
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31. Yes Freddie Stubbs

I would rather a Republican than a Lieberman.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:01 AM
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33. I'm sure that Ken Mehlman is happy to hear that

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jackbourassa

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Wed Dec-07-05 03:23 PM
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46. You know what Freddie

Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 03:25 PM by jackbourassa

I'm sick and tired of hearing the DLC Washington types scare me into voting Democratic. You want my vote...EARN IT. I don't have to agree with everything, but I must see some kind of difference between my party and the GOP. Second, I would like to think that my party stands up for issues that I strongly support (ie ending the war). Especially when the VAST majority of Democrats (80 to 90%) and a majority of Americans (50 to 60%) support that same view. We do not work for them in Washington, Washington works for us. Remember that!

What difference is there between Lieberman and any Republican? Lieberman doesn't think we should even "criticize" Bush. So defeating Lieberman will send a VERY STRONG message to those in Washington...even your sacred cows aren't so sacred.

Hillary and Joe, you're either with us or against us. Remember that?

If you're with us, i'll do everything I can for you. Volunteer (done that), send money (done that), vote for you(have always done that).

If you're against us, I want you gone. Democrat or Republican, makes no difference to me.

Simple as that.

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Doctor_J

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:16 PM
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5. I don'tthink Weicker will run as or vote as a R

he will be an I.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:26 PM
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7. What if Weicker and Lieberman split the vote enough for a GOPer to win?

Whould that be worthwhile?

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ihelpu2see

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:28 AM
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37. No Republican would win a cT senate seat!! nt

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:29 PM
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13. Lieberman is a Republican!

He has joined forces with Bush on the war, on PATRIOT. Lieberman supports expanding the war to Syria and Iran. Lieberman is no different from a Zell Miller.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:03 AM
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35. Most Democrats " joined forces" with Bush in the PATRIOT act

Does that mean that Wellstone was a Republican too?

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IndianaGreen

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Thu Dec-08-05 12:07 AM
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54. And in doing so, they pissed away our civil liberties!

Why would I want to reward assholes that were so willing to bury the Bill of Rights because they lacked the courage to stand up for the Constitution.

Do you realize how many Americans have died for our freedoms? All pissed away by a Congress that wouldn't even bother to read the bill before voting for it.

You bet I am pissed!

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Zynx

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:13 PM
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3. If Weicker will caucus with the Dems, I support him.

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tx_dem41

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:31 PM
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8. I assume that everyone voting for Weicker is very familiar

with his stance on all of today's issues. I admit I'm not, so I wouldn't think of voting for an unknown at this time.

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PassingFair

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:31 PM
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9. Anyone know what percentage of

Connecticut voters are registered 'puglicans?

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Freddie Stubbs

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:47 PM
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10. 22% in 2004

http://www.sots.ct.gov/ElectionsServices/election_results/statistics/enrolhst.pdf

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PassingFair

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:50 PM
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11. Seems like the seat is secure enough!

Thanks Freddie!

Wonder what the polling would look like if the election was between Holy Joe and any other DEMOCRAT!

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:05 AM
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36. Except that many of those Democrats are willing to vote for Republicans

The state hasn't elected a Democrat as Governor since 1988.

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drbtg1

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Wed Dec-07-05 04:25 PM
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48. A dem named Bill Curry ran twice against Rowland

Curry was absolutely horrible on television. He didn't stand a chance.

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Ignacio Upton

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:59 PM
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12. Ideally I would support Weicker

But practically if he runs he will split the race and act as a Nader, unless you can show me that he will lead both Lieberman AND the Republican candidate.

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:36 PM
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14. Lieberman just announced the formation of a coalition government with Bush

Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:39 PM by IndianaGreen

Essentially that is what Lieberman is proposing in a story breaking in LBN and posted by sabra:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1969351

Holy Joe wants Iraq to become a Democratic war!

And some of you still defend this piece of excrement!

Lieberman Calls For Formation Of 'War Cabinet'
11:43 AM EST, December 6, 2005
By DAVID LIGHTMAN, The Hartford Courant

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, increasingly isolated in his own Democratic party because of his strong support for the Iraq war, today called on the White House and congressional leaders to form a special "war cabinet" to provide advice and direction for the war effort.

The Connecticut Democrat's "Bipartisan Victory in Iraq Administrative Group," designed to take some of the political edge off the war debate, would be modeled after similar panels during the Vietnam War and World War II.

Lieberman, whom the Bush administration has praised repeatedly for his war stance, defended the president. "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years," the senator said. "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

There was no immediate response from the White House or congressional leaders.

Lieberman made his comments to an audience at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a sympathetic Washington research group. The war debate, Lieberman said, is being too poisoned by partisanship.

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-lieb-warcab,0,7884135.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking

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PassingFair

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:39 PM
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15. kick.

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TankLV

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Tue Dec-06-05 09:36 PM
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22. kickity kick.

Especially for all the LIE-berman apologists on board here!

There is NO EXCUSE to continue support this piece of shit.

HE'S SCOLDING DEMS WHO CRITICIZE AND POINT OUT REPUKES LIES! for gods sake!

OPEN YOUR EYES YOU VICHY DEMS WHO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS ASSWIPE!

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sandyd921

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Tue Dec-06-05 09:58 PM
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23. Gawd, total disgust!

n.t.

:puke:

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Ignacio Upton

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Tue Dec-06-05 11:20 PM
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26. Lieberman is Shimon Peres to Bush's Ariel Sharon

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IChing

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:42 PM
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17. A real on-line hartford news poll is here

52.1%
Joseph Lieberman (438 responses)

41.0%
Lowell Weicker (344 responses)

6.9%
Other (58 responses)

840 total responses

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5530709

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:44 PM
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18. Poll began before Lieberman announced a coalition government with Bush

Go to LBN and read what Holy Joe is now proposing Democrats do to save Bush!

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IChing

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Tue Dec-06-05 04:53 PM
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19. I read but didn't have time to comment but only

850 responded to this major Ct. newspaper poll so far.

I thought the new bi-partisan war cabinet should be called either

the I love * cabinet
I love war cabinet
I am really want that Sec. of Defense job cabinet.

Joe is an asshole as usual

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Smarmie Doofus

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:37 AM
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29. "Other" is a republican yet to be named; once nominated...

and a face is given to the name , one can expect the 6% to go up exponentially. The question is : where do those votes come from? Weicker or Lieberman?

That said.... Weicker's 41% at this point is *awesome*. OK , it's an online poll; but still.

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Dec-06-05 09:30 PM
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20. A kick for the night crew

Now that we know how Holy Joe feels about the Democrats, perhaps some of you that have supported Holy Joe up to this point will have a change of heart.

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TankLV

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Tue Dec-06-05 09:33 PM
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21. I'm so sick of that VICHY Dem LIE-berman and his repuke ass kissing

and dem dissing!

GO AWAY "HOLY" JOE!

You're an embarassement at best.

Hope to see him in the Hague!

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DaveinMD

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Tue Dec-06-05 11:15 PM
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24. the problem

is that Weicker's candidacy will likely give the seat to a Republican. So your poll doesn't show the true outcome.

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PassingFair

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Tue Dec-06-05 11:19 PM
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25. Why?

Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 11:21 PM by PassingFair

If only 22% are repug? Doesn't that leave a LARGE majority of dems and independents to vote for Weicker?

Of course the party could SOLVE THIS PROBLEM by fielding a progressive challenger in the dem primary.

Just sayin'...

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DaveinMD

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Tue Dec-06-05 11:24 PM
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27. the Republican performance

is a lot higher than 22 percent.

I'm all for a primary challenge to Lieberman. I hated him before most here ever heard of him. Though that was because of his support for Vouchers.

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PassingFair

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Tue Dec-06-05 11:25 PM
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28. OMG! He supports VOUCHERS too!

:puke:

Hell, I'll PAY someone to run against him!

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Smarmie Doofus

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:40 AM
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30. Indeed, they could field *Weicker*. n/t

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CTLawGuy

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Wed Dec-07-05 02:23 AM
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32. Not really

Joe's last opponent was Phil Giordano, the former mayor of Waterbury now in jail for child molestation.

Joe is also hugely popular among Republicans.

The Repug's bullpen is pretty thin, as the Repub party in CT is in the doghouse (except for Gov. Rell) after Fmr. Gov. Rowland resigned and went to jail for corruption.

The Repugs only legitimate contender would be from one of their house seats which, if they left would almost certainly be lost to us. I think Reps. Johnson, Shays, and Simmons would stay put in their relatively safe seats. THey know a lot of their base likes Lieberman.

The repugs really have no one else, unless Rell decided to run, which she won't.

They may just run nobody if Weicker runs.

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CTyankee

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:53 AM
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39. what do you think of Farrell's chances against Shays?

I think she's a comer. She's got real guts going after Shays. I'd love to see her get in.

I'm represented by Rosa, whom I mostly agree with.

I'm backing DeStefano for the governor's race but I don't think he'll win. He's my mayor and lives here in Westville where I live.

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CTLawGuy

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Wed Dec-07-05 11:14 AM
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43. I think it will depend on national factors

Shays has become increasingly weak,but he's been able to hold on. If there is a national backlash against republicans, then you could see shays' and simmons' seat switch over to us pretty easily. Johnson I'm not as sure about.

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CTyankee

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Wed Dec-07-05 04:14 PM
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47. Simmons? ISn't he a big hero since he "saved" New London?

Or has that enthusiasm faded with the latest layoffs?

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DaveinMD

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Wed Dec-07-05 09:55 AM
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40. I doubt it

if they see that Weicker will run, one of those others will run. If it was just Weicker v Lieberman, Weicker would be it as he would likely caucus with the Democrats anyhow.

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CTLawGuy

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Wed Dec-07-05 11:17 AM
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44. They could just as easily lose to weicker or lieberman himself

they won't leave their comfortable house seats. Remember, Lieberman is liked even among Republicans, and he doesn't barely win, such that an independent who gets 10% of the vote could sway anything.

Decisions about running have to be made well in advance, they can't wait around to see whether Weicker flies or falters. My prediction is they won't budge until there's an open seat.

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Mass

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:49 AM
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38. I know this is controversial, but what are Weicker's stands on other

Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 08:52 AM by Mass

issues than Iraq?

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DODI

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Wed Dec-07-05 10:26 PM
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53. He said he would run as the Anti-War candidate --

if no one challenges Joe.

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Shrek

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Wed Dec-07-05 11:07 AM
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41. This proposition is a violation of DU rules

2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

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CTLawGuy

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Wed Dec-07-05 11:19 AM
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45. No

the poster is not advocating either way, just asking an opinion.

Now some posts on here may be a different story.

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IndianaGreen

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Wed Dec-07-05 06:30 PM
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50. Lieberman is not a Democrat!

Read the damned papers before you defend Lieberman and condemn his critics! Holy Joe just told the Democrats to support Bush for the next 3 years and to form a "war cabinet" in which Dems and Repukes can help Bush win the war in Iraq.

That's what we call a coalition government. Democratic Party should be an opposition party, not some toilet paper for Bush to wipe his ass with, as Lieberman is advocating.

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Shrek

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Wed Dec-07-05 06:46 PM
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51. Lieberman is definitely a Democrat

Unless I'm mistaken, he was Al Gore's running mate and is thus widely regarded as the legitimate Vice President of the United States.

He's no less a Democrat just because you happen to disagree with him on one or more issues.

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IndianaGreen

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Wed Dec-07-05 07:19 PM
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52. Lieberman called for a coalition government with Bush!

Or did you miss that memo altogether!

Lieberman Calls For Formation Of 'War Cabinet'
11:43 AM EST, December 6, 2005
By DAVID LIGHTMAN, The Hartford Courant

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, increasingly isolated in his own Democratic party because of his strong support for the Iraq war, today called on the White House and congressional leaders to form a special "war cabinet" to provide advice and direction for the war effort.

The Connecticut Democrat's "Bipartisan Victory in Iraq Administrative Group," designed to take some of the political edge off the war debate, would be modeled after similar panels during the Vietnam War and World War II.

Lieberman, whom the Bush administration has praised repeatedly for his war stance, defended the president. "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years," the senator said. "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

There was no immediate response from the White House or congressional leaders.

Lieberman made his comments to an audience at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a sympathetic Washington research group. The war debate, Lieberman said, is being too poisoned by partisanship.

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-lieb-warcab,0,7884135.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking

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drbtg1

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Wed Dec-07-05 04:35 PM
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49. Weicker started the CT state income tax

Weicker is kryptonite here. Forget him. Won't happen.

I'm in CT, so allow me to offer this. The best chance is to get Attorney General Richard Blumenthal to oppose him in the primary. This is the guy that sued Bushco over NCLB because it broke it's own law on financing.

Forget Weicker! What needs to be done is to get Blumenthal's name to all liberal media! Contact all of them! AAR, Bill Press, Thom Hartmann, The Young Turks, all of them! Get them to get Blumenthal on their shows and talk to him. Blumenthal loves the media, so it wouldn't take much to get him on.

If you want to be rid of Joementum, this is the best shot.

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