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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:50 PM
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Lieberman Calls For Formation Of 'War Cabinet'
Essentially what Lieberman is proposing in a story breaking in LBN and posted by sabra is for the Democrats to join Bush in a coalition government:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1969351

Holy Joe wants Iraq to become a Democratic war!

And some of you still defend this piece of excrement!

11:43 AM EST, December 6, 2005
By DAVID LIGHTMAN, The Hartford Courant

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, increasingly isolated in his own Democratic party because of his strong support for the Iraq war, today called on the White House and congressional leaders to form a special "war cabinet" to provide advice and direction for the war effort.

The Connecticut Democrat's "Bipartisan Victory in Iraq Administrative Group," designed to take some of the political edge off the war debate, would be modeled after similar panels during the Vietnam War and World War II.

Lieberman, whom the Bush administration has praised repeatedly for his war stance, defended the president. "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years," the senator said. "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

There was no immediate response from the White House or congressional leaders.

Lieberman made his comments to an audience at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a sympathetic Washington research group. The war debate, Lieberman said, is being too poisoned by partisanship.

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-lieb-warcab,0,7884135.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:52 PM
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1. I heard he might actual have people running against him
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:52 PM
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2. That Is An Extraordinarily Bad Idea, My Friend
This is a Republican war, begun for no other reason than partisan political advantage: its fore-doomed failure is a Republican failure, and every act of our Party must be aimed at driving home that fact.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:53 PM
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3. Move over, Zell Miller, Lieberman's got Joe-Mentum.
What a knucklehead.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:55 PM
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4. Endarkenment calls for defenistration of Joementum.
Bye Joe. See ya. Hello Senator Weicker.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:12 PM
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7. A Lovely Word, That, Sir
It sounds so much worse than it really is....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:43 PM
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10. I actually had to go check to make sure
that it meant what I thought it meant. I mean the soon to be former senator no harm, I just want him out. It is a lovely word.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:09 PM
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5. I didn't undermine bush's "credibility"
he & his handlers did that themselves.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:10 PM
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6. What evidence does he have that they'd take anyone's advice?
Why is he (and some others) so fucking clueless about the ruling cabal? You hear allegedly intelligent people with advanced degrees from prestigious universities talking about how nedds to now steer a middle groung course. Wake the fuck up.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:24 PM
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8. The Republicans and Joe are desparate for? each other? Israel?
Joe is so gullible and has, imo, wide and deep pockets and a way too large ego.

We must protest Joe bailing the Republicans out.

If This regime could be sincere and trustworthy and had approached Carter or Clark or someone we could trust, I probably wouldn't protest the concept of a Democrat helping out, based on knowing more.

Rove and operatives will race all over the fact that a Democrat like Leiberman believes in their plan for the war. They will play it every which way that hurts Dems. They will make it look like the COUNTRY is behind PNAC.

Joe is a problem. A big problem. The world will know about his loyalty to protecting Israel which means no peace and progress for Palestinians and a free nuclear ride for Israel and the U.S. while spending billions of our dollars fighting other countries for all the crap they dream up including nuclear exceptions, broken treaties, perpetual war and war profits for a few, and the constant new and spreading threats that they concoct in think tanks.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:15 AM
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25. Yup, for Joe it's all about protecting Israel ...
he's an opportunistic, hypocritical putz.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:26 PM
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9. Maybe Joe is following the lead of Ariel Sharon who quit his old
party to start a new one?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:49 PM
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15. Good insight. "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with
bullshit."

The Likudniks/neocons are losing the public relations war at the moment--so time for them to change sides and mix up the teams so those who want to defeat them will be too confused to fight them.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:13 PM
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20. You got it. Fixing the horserace - an old tradition.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:27 PM
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11. How about the formation of a "Recall and Impeachment Cabinet"?
Starting with Lieberman.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:36 PM
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12. Corporate Media Says The Democrats Are Split
Wrong...this is called thinning out the herd. Anyone who dares to condone this invasion runs counter to what at least 75% of what Democrats believe and might as well get out now before they get further isolated.

TPM had an interesting discussion on how losing Liebermann's seat would be a good thing for Democrats. Let Joe fade into obscurity and obsolence holding the bag for Rumsfeld's tyrannical destruction of the Pentagon...that's fine with me.

This isn't a split among Democrats...this is Democrats splitting with those who abet and find anything positive in the status quo.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:44 PM
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13. Dream on Joe, Dream on.
Even if they put you on the "war cabinet" and gave you a special "Deputy Dawg" war cabinet member token Democrat badge--they are not going to listen to a damn thing you say.

So get over it Joe. This crew of war criminals in the White House has lied us into this disaster--you fell for it hook line and sinker--they are not your friends but that doesn't mean they wouldn't want to use you.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:47 PM
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14. Um, Joe? They already have one... it's called the "WHIG"
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:56 PM
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16. Well this is the first time that I am actually kinda glad
Gore didn't get selected in 2000. What a piece of shit Lieberman is! How can any one support this bush war of aggression? Bring the troops home.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:57 PM
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17. I just emailed Lieberman and told him what a disgrace he is.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:03 PM
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18. I'm a staunch anti-war progressive - but i think this might make sense
i could be wrong. I certainly don't want to enable the continuation of this evil enterprise that America has ventured upon.

But...

it seems to me that a bicameral "war cabinet" (i'd rather call it a peace cabinet)is the only way to carve out a viable end to this madness.

again, i could be wrong. and if it's headed up by the likes of rummy and dicky, it won't work.

i don't know.. we have to find someway out of this.

see this war set up the conditions for for a very bloody massacre once the elections are over, and the Sh-ia are in control, and they invite Iran's military assistance - which will include heavy artillery and armor, tanks and so forth.

There will be a massacre of the sunni population - and it will be our fault. (America's) ...

I'm no war monger, i want this to end. i just don't want our "exit now" strategy to equate to a huge massacre either.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:12 PM
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19. What you are describing is a coalition government
Now, I don't think that the majority of Democrats would want their party to become part of the Bush regime. This would mean that the Democratic Party will be a party to all of Bush's crimes. This will also mean that the people that oppose Bush/Cheney will have to go elsewhere or will have to form an opposition party to oppose the Bush/Cheney/Lieberman regime.

I think that one of the LBN posters had it right, Holy Joe has gone insane!
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:31 PM
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21. Yeah, I think I drank the kool aid, the effects are starting to wear off
<g> I think you're right - and there's no reason for the DP to go down this road. It's not our fuck up - it's their puppy.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:12 PM
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23. but not coming from Lieberman
no one, dem or republican, who has followed Bush so blindly on Iraq as Lieberman has, can do anything productive with the war.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:35 AM
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26. The idea itself could be good
in a better world. If the best minds could get together, look at the best choices for our military and Iraq, talk it out and be heard by the administration (who hears no one) that might be good. The safety of people and the best end to this war is what matters beyond politics.

But when you read what he's saying that doesn't seem to be his point at all.
"Bipartisan Victory in Iraq Administrative Group," designed to take some of the political edge off the war debate." "It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more years," the senator said. "We undermine the president's credibility at our nation's peril."

Well if that's the point of it, not honest debate and a search for answers, screw it. The president is undermining his own credibility and if we seek to make him look more credible then he is we are part of the sham.
And "Democrats who distrust President Bush?" I question any congress person of either party who trusts him.

So No Joe.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:53 PM
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22. What other fellow chickenhawks would he appoint?? nt
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:42 AM
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24. Committee on the Present Danger
http://www.fightingterror.org/members/index.cfm
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