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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:41 AM
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How's This For A New Conspiracy Theory?............
As it seems that the Repugs have been planning for years along with the Neocons to take over the government and seemingly plotting to do just what they have done - take over the presidency, both the house and senate and replacing the judiciary - could they have even been more sinister?

Could the Repugs - posing as Dems and getting elected as Dems - infiltrated the party and are now causing the internal problems that make the Dems look so disjointed.

I'm curious if anyone else has thought that this may be going on?

Think about all those Dems that are espousing Repug thoughts and not pulling together to beat these Repug crooks.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:43 AM
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1. Easy solution:
Run really strong, effective Democrats against them and oust them from power. That's what primaries are for. That's what grassroots movements are about.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:44 AM
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2. Democrats have had internal problems since Andrew Jackson...
It is one of the characteristics of our party that we feel the need to attack each other almost as much as we do the opposition...nothing new here!!!
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:54 AM
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3. I'm not part of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat.
didn't Will Rogers say that?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:55 AM
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4. Yes he did...
Will Rogers was a very wise and perceptive man...
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:06 AM
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5. my favourite........
I've always been fond of Will Rogers.....

“You can’t say civilizations don’t advance. In every war, they kill you in a new way.”

Will Rogers.

I like these too........

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."

John Kenneth Galbraith.

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side: Aristotle
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:59 AM
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7. "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." --
Lord Acton

"Those who CAST the votes decide nothing. Those who COUNT the votes decide
everything." --Josef Stalin
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:36 AM
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6. Yup, they should be speaking with ONE VOICE on BUSH's heinous,
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 11:52 AM by Peace Patriot
illegal, mass murdering, torturing war. And they are not. So it makes you wonder. But I think it's more a case of Dems starting out in life, when they were young, as Democrats--with all the right instincts about fairness and justice and good government and a "level playing field" for the poor and the oppressed--and gradually, over the years, getting sucked in by the military-corporate complex that now rules our land, and experiencing power and the perks of office, and nice, secure benefits and regular salary increases, and having to pander after millions in campaign contributions, and getting "above us all" as a result, flying above "the masses." In short, becoming Republicrats.

And now, things are so unbalanced, with the Bushites gone off the cliff of fascism--and, critically important, with Bushite corporations having gained control of our election system, with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY software and firmware, and virtually no audit/recount capability (this, too, a result of both Dem and Repub corruption)--many of the Democrats are bundles of fear, corruption, malfeasance and seeming stupidity, and, in fact, seem just like Republicans, only without the fascist, goose-stepping arrogance.

Not all of them, mind you. Russ Holt, for instance, has a great election reform bill, HR 550, that will stop the corruption of our election system by private corporations in its tracks. It has 169 sponsors. (Sign the petition:www.russholt.com/petition.html )

This man knows what's going down. So do his (99% Dem) co-sponsors, apparently.

Other Dems (like the ones who want to "succeed" in Iraq, i.e., do a better job of killing and torturing Muslims), some of them, I think--Hillary Clinton comes to mind--want to be the War Democrat that Diebold and ES&S "selects" as our candidate in 2008, and who might well be permitted to "win," because, among other things, the war profiteers need a military Draft (Bush can't do it), and they need someone they can start blaming for Bush's financial and foreign policy disasters, and to deal with domestic unrest, while retaining huge military budgets and a huge military presence in the Middle East, poised to invade more countries (as soon as they can trump up another "Gulf of Tonkin" incident). Clinton is after the main chance. She knows what the score is. She wants in.

The hitch for the war profiteers may be that she will have to at least pay lip service to progressive values like honest elections, and that we might, thereby, get our country back, eventually. Tattered ruin though it will be, by then.

Ah, me. I'm feeling rather bad about my 40 year loyalty to this benighted party today. I've heard it all before. LBJ, the "peace candidate" in 1964; result: upwards of 2 million slaughtered. And all the real peace advocates dead: JFK, RFK, MLK, Paul Wellstone. So that, any serious candidate for the highest office CANNOT be for peace. They will not be permitted into the White House. They'll be done in by the corporate news monopolies (Dean), assassinated, or--these days--Diebolded. (While Kerry was not a peace candidate, he WAS supported by an extensive antiwar grass roots, to whom he would have been at least partially beholden; and I think that's one of the reasons why he was Diebolded; that, and they had quite a bit more looting and covering up of crimes to do.)

During WW II, we developed "the War Party," and, although Republicans (representatives of the rich) never stopped reviling FDR, they did agree to war against the Nazis and the Japanese. After the war, this "War Party" never really disbanded; the military contractors of those days became (with big gov't subsidies) the global corporate predators of today, that just gobble up our money and have no loyalty to us as a people or a country, and we now have an entirely war-based economy, which needs war to continue. And war needs an "enemy." If it isn't "communists," it's "terrorists." "Terrorism" is a police problem; not a military problem. But that doesn't matter. It is an excuse. And it has been TURNED INTO a military problem--wholly without justification, and wholly artificially--in Iraq and the Middle East.

And all of the above is why the War Democrats support Bush's war (and just want to do "a better war"). Its complete illegality; its utter horror; and the 100% pack of lies that the Bushites told about it--none of this matters to them. This is a FINANCIAL matter, to them, not a moral one. Justice and right have NOTHING to do with their war policy.

And the war profiteers WILL NOT PERMIT a peace candidate to win. The great majority of the American people WANT a peace president-- desperately want it--and they want to be relieved of these humongous military budgets, and want to see peace and justice in our country and in the world. That's WHY our corporate rulers took away our right to vote. They know what we would vote for (confirmed by ALL the polls, over a several year period): justice, fairness, diplomacy, helping the poor, protecting the environment. But the best we can hope for is a War Democrat with some amount of progressive social policy, and--it is to be hoped--who at least pays lip service to progressive values like transparent elections, so that we can recover our right to vote under such an administration, and begin serious political reform.

For an easy to read pamphlet on the perils of electronic voting:
www.votersunite.org

For a project for statistical monitoring and challenges of the '06 and '08 elections:
www.UScountvotes.org

More good info at (the paper ballot US map is heartening): www.verifiedvoting.com

For analysis of the 2004 election:
www.TruthIsAll.net

For the recent GAO report on the horrendous anomalies and election system insecurity in 2004:
access to pdf: http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/abstract.php?rptno=GAO-05-956
text only: http://www.gao.gov/htext/d05956.html
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:15 PM
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10. Wow Peace Patriot - Right On - Also Al-CIAda & Marleyb make ...
good points. I would vote for this for the greatest - but I can't cause I started the thread. But the comments to my original thought should be seen by all.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:34 PM
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9. The DLC is MUCH more than a harmless think tank.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2279992#2281635

The DLC is MUCH more than a harmless think tank.
Posted by bvar22 on Tue Nov-29-05 05:06 PM

It IS a creation of Corporate Owners and Management to INCREASE the influence of BIG MONEY Single Source interests inside the Democratic Party. It was CREATED and FUNDED BY BIG MONEY to change the Traditional Values of the Democratic Party by buying candidates and elections. The DLC has at its disposal all the resources of BIG CORPORATE America including the highly developed PR (advertising) Networks that are very successful at influencing public opinion.

"The DLC stands for nothing, nada" (except the flow of corporate cash into Democratic coffers).-Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary in the Clinton administration


At a time when the public thinks big business has too much influence in Washington, the DLC's mission is to increase the influence of business in the Democratic Party. Or as Simon Rosenberg, head of the DLC's corporate-funded political action committee, the New Democrat Network, put it, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party."

New Democrats in the House and Senate, led by the ethically challenged former New Dem co-chair Representative Jim Moran, worked with Republicans to frustrate Arthur Levitt, Clinton's chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, in Levitt's attempt to ban auditors from doing consulting for the companies they audit. As Clinton notes, this led directly to the Enron scandals, in which auditors had every incentive to ignore shady off-the-books maneuvers.
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020805&s=borosage20020726



For those who believe that the DLC is simply a harmless "Think tank", go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=


From the DLC's OWN Website:
"Have Clinton and his allies in the Democratic Leadership Council succeeded in changing the philosophy of the Democratic Party into a New Democratic one? To the New Democrats, the answer seems clear. To them, not only is the era of big government over, but, in the words of the DLC's chairman, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.), "the era of the party of big government is also over."
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=955&kaid=127&subid=171



"The New Democrats apparently have begun this long march. The DLC has made training of a new generation of New Democrat leaders one of its primary objectives, continuing its efforts to work with and influence up-and-coming state and local officials. The New Democrat Network has grown quickly, increasing its ability to fund New Democrat candidates for federal office, including those running in primary contests."
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=955&kaid=127&subid=171



Have any of you observed BIG MONEY showing up with a candidate in YOUR local elections?
I have!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=160&topic_id=14207&mesg_id=14367
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x14207


The DLC is MUCH MORE than a harmless think tank.
The DLC IS the creeping CorpoFascism that is destroying our Democracy. They are the primary tool used by BIG MONEY to destroy the Democratic Party from the inside!

The DLC is insidious! Betrayal from the inside is more dangerous than
a clear external enemy.

Question for the so called "New Democrats":
What was wrong with the Old Democrats?
The economic policies of the Old Democrats (FDR) catalyzed an unparalleled economic explosion that gave birth to the Middle Class in America and eventually provided Equal Rights for ALL Americans!

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