Memo to scaredy cat Dems: a Majority of Americans oppose the Iraq War

WTF is all this travail about anti-war remarks by our party leaders like Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, or Howard Dean?

Just as a premise, War is Bad, mmmmkay?

But further, what is the by-product of this? Private companies making humongous profits while the streets of Iraqi towns run with blood. Innocent civilians being shot for SPORT IN OUR NAME, people! SHOT FOR SPORT! People being snatched off the street and taken to secret prisons in POLAND, ( HELLO! Treblinka! Auschwitz! They have seen this before!)and other Warsaw pact countries. A SERIOUS attempt to legitimize torture, being led by our Vice President. The rest of the world viewing the United States as some kind of rogue state, instead of an avatar of good and fairness. Inability to protect us domestically because of the massive expeditures abroad. Report after report issued that shows what incompetent inattention to this country is doing to our national body politic.( hint: it ain't good)
Building a soccer stadium in Iraq with new sod while Gulfport, Miss can't get new equipment for their high schools.

Now seriously, let's get the hell out of there while we can still repair all of this, before it's too late. While we can still save our souls.

Win-loss means nothing if your country is in a complete shambles and no one in power wants to hear about it. Win loss means nothing if your economy is in tatters and has the credit standing of a third world banana republic.

When in the world are they going to GET IT?

*When in the world are they going to GET IT?*

It causes me to feel hopeless (however, I will not give up)when they will not stand up and back those who are opposing this farce of an administration, not to mention the war.

We all are aware that provacateurs cause a lot of this, and distract from the TRUTH that the Republicans are in disarray and scattering for cover as their whole corrupt system conflagrates around them. Rather that take advantage of this weakness, we allow ourselves to get distracted by parsing words of our own leaders.

Eyes on the prize. We're still not good at that.

The majority is much like America - they disagree with the war if Iraq but now that we are there they don't want an immediate withdraw but some sort of plan that might salvage Iraq and still lead to the withdrawal of Americans.

it's the same game: define "immediate"
We can't even agree on GETTING OUT, let alone when, so this is kind of cart before the horse.

A majority of Americans want out, they just don't agree on how.

Most of us oppose the Iraq war and all of us have differences in opinion about what to do now. The amazing thing is their is much more agreement than anyone will admit if you look at individual plans. The details get lost in efforts to demonize the person who came up with the idea. One would never guess that Dean called for a two year phased withdrawal. Feingold called for a plan to leave. Murtha called for a phase pullout (in about 6 months) to a periphery site. It sounds like they agree more than they disagree. The problem is the way the Republicans frame the people and the plans.

That may be how the Republicans characterized their statements, but it's not the case.

As far as I know the only Dem to ever call for pulling out all troups immediately was Dennis Kucinich during the 2004 primaries.

Why do Democrats keep spouting such nonsense.

but no one listens to me, except in retrospect. Being toally right on isn't all it's cracked up to be. I have to watch another two thousand of our kids and untold thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians die first.

This is like it was then. My friends lost boyfriends, fiancees, their new husbands. And they kept saying we were winning...and everyone knew we were not winning.

public opinion that last very small bit. But instead, they persist in the delusion that winning or keeping office requires that they support policies which the public strongly objects to. Does this mean that our so-called "Democratic" leaders have already given in to the idea that to win, you must kowtow to the corporations, and the voice of the people has no significance at all any more?

She was clear, direct and convincing.

Nancy is a LEADER. And that's what leader do, they LEAD.

What a concept!

Pelosi's got a good grip on this.

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Hence, their vote to give Bush authorization to invade Iraq.

The Democrats are all pussies.

The problem is that the country is run by a big dick that wants to f*ck them.

Buying into the propaganda the Republicans try to lay on them about being weak, and unfortunately they equate weak with being against war. It's such nonsense. It is so easy to paint the Iraq invasion as the illegal, immoral action it is, but only a few Dems have the nachos to stand up straight and tell the truth. Too many of them seem only interested in their own political viability, or what they perceive it to be. I don't think they realize they are alienating over at least half the party in the process. Dumbasses.

In the meantime they're being exposed as fools whose faux patriotism won't allow them to acknowledge the obvious.