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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:27 PM
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If you get rid of Dean, you LOSE.
How many people here have been disillusioned by the lack of spine the Democrats have shown? Well, Dean has just the spine we need. Silence him, and our party will continue to be the cowardly party with no ideas.

Secondly, if you purge him, I'll guarantee that the base of the party will either switch to Green, start a third party, or not vote at all. ***If you lose your base, you WILL lose elections.*** Hell, even the SHRUB understands that!!!

Thirdly, just what has Dean done wrong? He speaks out but of course the corporate media takes things out of context. So the pooooooor repugs get their feelings hurt. HOW ABOUT THE THINGS THEY SAY ABOUT US????? You don't see any repugs demanding that their leaders be purged or recalled, do you??

Dean is building this party from the grassroots, using a 50-state strategy that gives EVERYONE a say. Folks, HE CARES about what we think, and he will fight tooth and nail for us. I can't say the same about the wimp McAuliffe.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:28 PM
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1. Who would the spinless replace him with?
Kerry? Pelosi? Lieberman?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:29 PM
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2. I totally agree with you
Howard DON'T shut up. Don't allow them to do this, not only you but us as well. Please do something for us and tell them WE said for THEM to STFU.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:31 PM
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3. Dean's not gong anywhere folks. He knows he was elected by
the grassroots of the Party, and he won't abandon us. I actually think he enjoys being that thorn in the side of the almost Pubs in our Party. Bet he falls asleep at night smiling!!!!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:31 PM
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4. I suspect there's more than a few agent-provocateurs doing this
DU is infamous for this; and many here take the bait.

Beacuse, the Republicans are going up in flames via corruptiona and incompetence, and we're distracted by all this BS.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:35 PM
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5. Sez who?
"I'll guarantee that the base of the party will either switch to Green, start a third party, or not vote at all."
Yeah, sure. Which base is that? The one that's stomping around here announcing now how much they hate Democrats?

"Thirdly, just what has Dean done wrong?"
Since he's out doing damage control, I suggest you ask him directly.

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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:36 PM
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6. No, We start with Dean
and keep getting rid of the Dems and Repug leaders until someone breaks the silence on the election theft machines.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 06:35 PM
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7. Fact is Dean plays to OUR base. It's good political strategy.
It is they who deceive the people through their straw man fallacies. People are tired of it.

I think most people are sick of 5 years of attacks on American liberals. We are the Righties friends, co-workers, and neighbors. We are the largest group of able voters, and perhaps next fall all Liberals will gather together to cast a HUGE VOTE!

That is what Dean is helping us do.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:07 PM
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8. Two Comments
"Secondly, if you purge him, I'll guarantee that the base of the party will either switch to Green, start a third party, or not vote at all."

-- Hey, that was fun to read. Thanks for including some first-rate comedy in your otherwise serious message.

"Folks, HE CARES about what we think, and he will fight tooth and nail for us. I can't say the same about the wimp McAuliffe."

-- You don't have to blow out McAuliffe's candle to make Dean's glow brighter.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:12 PM
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9. If this was combat battle, you would stand tall and continue the attack
This is no time to have mealy-mouthed soft-soaped wimps calling for Dean to step down. The battle is on! Attack! Don't run...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:15 PM
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10. Agree completely
They're picking on Dean because he's a threat. He turned around the Dems losing record in the last election and he's raising money and building a true 50 state grassroots organization. He's scaring the hell out of the GOP.

Take a moment to check public opinion polls and you'll see most voters agree with Dean on Iraq.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:16 PM
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11. Dean's not going anywhere. this is a bullshit debate
brought on by agitators.

eom
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:28 PM
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12. Dean's incompetent and doesn't appeal to moderates
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 07:49 PM by billbuckhead
Dean is always on some damage control mission. I'll never forgive him for embracing the NRA and the Confederate flag. I've always thought that was an extreme sign of weakness that pissed all over blacks and southern liberals while gaining absolutely nothing. Then there was his incompetant quoting of the bible, that was really persuasive here in the bible belt:eyes: Dean's anti war credentials have always puzzled me. Kucinich actually walked the walk while he was talking the talk, but didn't get the credit. Dean wasn't in office and didn't have to run again, so he didn't have to vote on the Iraq war. People forget that he was the first Dem out there campaigning and he mostly was trying to run to the right of Bush. Dean had to make none of the political sacrifices the other candidates had to make. He got on the antiwar bandwagon on the cheap. Dean got on a lot of bandwagons on the cheap. Vermont has less population than most urban counties. Hell, the mayor of Atlanta or most major cities has a far harder job than running Vermont or Montana while we're at it.

Howard Dean: “My kind of Republican”
Dean vows to beat Bush by running to Bush’s right
Wednesday, December 17, 2003
4:54 pm
Back in the fall of 2002 when nobody knew who Howard Dean was, on several occasions he explained how he was going to beat Bush: "People ask me how somebody's going to run from the 49th most populous state and beat the president... I'm going to run to his right. He's basically a borrow and spend liberal."
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<http://www.johnmccrory.com/wrote.asp?this=168>
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:09 PM
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13. Yeah right. If Dean had that much power he would have been
the nominee in 2004. No?
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Heewack Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:34 PM
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14. It has nothing to do with spine.
It has to do with a message that resonates with middle America. So far Dean has not shown that ability to produce such a message.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:26 PM
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17. Until we can get a messenger who CAN resonate with middle America..
Dean's 50 state strategy is just a pipe dream.
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BluGrl Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:41 PM
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15. My problem with Dean
is that he appeals to the emotional hysterics within the Democratic Party. I have never been one to let emotions lead over logic. Sadly, the party is in need of a good whiff of smelling salts and hopefully that will come before the '08 elections are over and we are left scratching our butts claiming ANOTHER election has been stolen.

We are giving it away. That's my opinion. Now...commence with the hysterical name calling.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:25 PM
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16. Agree. We are a party in total disarray. I fear that between Dean and
Lieberman and Hillary and everybody in between, voters will once again vote for candidates who at lease have a cohesive message, albeit evil, over a party who can't get its act together. What is it going to take for our own party to stop killing itself?
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