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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:13 AM
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"Bush Likens Iraqi Action to Transition in 40's Japan"
NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10/national/10bush.html

Bush Likens Iraqi Action to Transition in 40's Japan

By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: December 10, 2005

MINNEAPOLIS, Dec. 9 - President Bush suggested Friday that history will vindicate his decision to invade Iraq, saying he believed that a half century from now, it will be regarded as important a transition for the world as the democratization of Japan was after World War II.

"I'm absolutely convinced that some day, 50 or 60 years from now, an American president will be speaking to an audience saying, 'Thank goodness a generation of Americans rose to the challenge and helped people be liberated from tyranny,' " Mr. Bush said. " 'Democracy spread and the world is more peaceful for it.' "

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"We have got a strategy for victory and we'll see that strategy through," he said, drawing on lines from recent policy speeches. "We will defeat the terrorists in Iraq. We will not let Al Qaeda take a stronghold - get a stronghold in Iraq. We'll help this country develop a democracy, which will send a powerful signal to people in Damascus and Tehran."

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Many outside experts and even some of Mr. Bush's own aides question his reliance on the comparison, noting that Japan was a unified state before World War II, but that Iraq has always been divided along religious and regional lines.

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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:19 AM
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1. And except that they attacked us first

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:20 AM
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2. minor detail...
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:09 PM
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15. But everyone knows that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...
:sarcasm:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:25 AM
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3. Of course, he doesn't really care if he's right about that
since he'll be dead anyway, or raptured, or whatever. I'm curious, how many American soldiers died in Japan once the occupation began.

I think we're far more likely to see a similar scenario to what the British experienced there, early in the 20th Century.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:38 AM
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6. Your Question
I think it was 678.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:27 AM
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4. If that *man* had a brain,
it would be dripping out of his ears . . .

and the gall to think he's going to have any kind of historic legacy -- "thank goodness a generation of Americans . . ." RIGHT. Try "I did it, I did it!"

damn jackass.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:35 AM
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5. He can thank his speechwriters for those lines. He
could never have thought of them. I have thought from the beginning he is merely a puppet. I am surprised his nose doesn't grow longer with each speech.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:39 AM
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7. yeah, but he doesn't n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:24 AM
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8. If anything good ever comes from the Iraq invasion
it won't be because of BushCo.

Their intentions have never had anything to do with nobility.

Even when his handlers put words in his mouth, he still manages to sound like an idiot. They're all idiots, pretty much.
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:52 AM
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9. I like to compare the invasion to rape
It's like the rapist is saying: No, wait a minute, yes I did rape that women, but let's just wait and see how th kid turns out. Maybe he/she will grow up to do great things. And if that happens the rapist is vindicated.

Again, the ends justify the means.
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:58 AM
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10. Interesting
in light of the fact that there's more of an Al Qaeda presence in Iraq than before we invaded...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:01 AM
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11. So, he's going to leave Saddam in nominal power
But strip him of any claim to divinity?

What possesses our media outlets to just report such dunderheaded blather from an ill-informed misanthrope in such a straight fashion? Nobody calls this idiot on his asinine comments, nobody says he's just talking out his ass.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:18 AM
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12. This was done so the 'bots
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 10:18 AM by long_green
on cable news can say "Did you see him make that oh-so-apt historical analogy? What erudition!"
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:23 AM
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13. Yeah, cause after we started occupying Japan, after the war ended
we still had the Japanese attacking our soldiers. And we still continued to lose lives...

Oh, wait...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:03 AM
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14. Man, the parallels this clown is trying to draw...!!!
Iraq attacked us, just like Japan (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
They both did it as a craven surprise attack on our soil (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
We declared war on them and bombed the hell out of them
They cried "Enough, we surrender!!!"
We occupied them and turned them into democracies with thriving economies

Is this man delusional, or what???

The only thing missing in the Iraqi scenario are the atomic bombs....uh-oh :scared:

Well, at least he's not comparing present-day Iraqis to America's Founders.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:36 AM
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17. Well, at least he's not comparing present-day Iraqis to America's Founders
but cheney did.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:18 PM
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16. Only if he is able to rewrite history will he be vindicated.
Considering he was a history major in college, he seems to know nothing of history.
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