We live in a very powerful (not for long) but truly

backwards nation

not for long, but back wards nation.

let me explain, and yes many elements are connected.

We as a nation are apparently unwilling to FIGHT for national health care, why? If the bastards cannot afford it, let them die
We as a nation still practice the death penalty. We don't care if the condemned are guilty or not either, as the Texas case this year proved, for we only want revenge.

Yes those two are connected... we don't value life, as long as it is not ours or that of our families. We don't care if the state executes people, it makes people feel good. It is purely about me, and how I feel, not ethics, or whether we may execute somebody who did not do it. All other arguments about he death penalty are there to justify our need as a nation to kill.

We don't even care if the state runs shelters for the homeless, after all they are lazy and god damn it they should get a job! In fact, we'd rater not the state run them.

Yep, we are a very calvinistic society, where the only thing that matters is getting personally ahead and personal salvation through wealth. We are no longer even a society in many respects, and the sense of community is gone.

Until Community comes back, and I am at a loss what will bring it back, forget about any civilized discussion about Health Care, let alone the death penalty.

Here is a piece of trivia, for any of you who still believe we live in an advanced country... even our neighbor to the south does not have it. They had a series of very brutal murders about ten years ago, yep the kind that would automatically qualify as death penalty cases anywhere in the US, where it is part of the legal code. It was proposed to bring it back. They HAD a national discussion on the death penalty and how it brutalizes the nation. They decided not to bring it back. There is no deterrent value and the social costs are far higher to justify any so-called benefits. Oh yes it is still in the legal code in Mexico, for only one crime, HIGH TREASON. Oh and it only applies in that case to one man, The President, and it would be carried out by the military by firing squad. Yep, there are some things we can even learn from so called developing countries, because we are not a developed country, just a bully.

A nation of killers and theives. Its just unbelievable that no one ntoices or even cares.

I place the responsibility for this squarely at the feet of corporate america and any of their enablers in the political arena.

I have long believed (in fact since the aftermath of Nov. 22, 1963) that an accurate description of the United States is "the Top Banana among banana republics -- the home of banana Republicanism run amok." But it now appears even the lesser bananas are at least potentially greater.

I save the capital C for practicing Christians.

such a division with progressives. Progressives want progress on humanity.

The Republican Party is the Party of inhumanity. And many Dems join them - because of a lack of guts or big pockets or the love of votes or their fear of not being centrist-right. Gulf War I and II. The bankruptcy bill. ETC ETC

Few of them have stepped up to fight for the most grevious reason behind all the killing - the rights deprived Palestinians.

talk it over, we have no moral authority to get involved, any longer. Why? We are a rogue nation.

fund Israel to the detriment of Palestine. We chose sides and Carter and Clinton tried to do domething about the side we took. We must either backtrack on our extreme favoritism to Israel or even up the score in favor of Palestine.

Palestine is the number one reason our kids and neighbors have been and are getting killed and maimed.

but our recent actions in the ME make us a rogue state, with no moral standing in the world and that has no hope of getting corrected until the boys in charge are out of office and preferably on their way to prison for war crimes

and everyone who disagrees with this blah is the spawn of Satan...especially fellow Democrats.

"Progressives want progress on humanity"
It shows (snicker). That's why you guys are drawing up enemies list and smearing other Democrats...progress on humanity.

but he'd do all of us a favor by just changing parties, hell Zell Miller in my view did... when he gave his speech to the RNC convention. Some of us don't, but hey your mileage may vary

but then I actually know Democrats are trying to gain control of the Senate.

look up Third Way and fascism and then tell me you agree ok

So in order to look up what the DLC stands for (which I already know and you ain't got a clue about), you want me to look up anything but that.

By the way, just for a BIG laugh, here's your third way....

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Well, NOW I'm convinced (snicker)

mussilini tried it first, try to get educated on the issue, which also explains NAFTA by the way, and CAFTA, but no matter, if they have a D, you will defend them

One wonders why somebody who thinks the Democrats are just like Mussolini wouldn't just take a hike.

Dems about Dems.

Smear
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3. To stain or attempt to destroy the reputation of; vilify: political enemies who smeared his name.
4. Slang. To defeat utterly; smash.

Destroy? Defeat? Smash?

I did not smear any unprogressive Dems. I referred to them in an opinionated statement about my preferences for ideological values which I've learned is considered progressive. Their was no vilification of reputation.

The last I knew I had a right to voice my opinion and they have a right to know how other Dem-Independents are re-acting to them should they take time to read.

"I did not smear any unprogressive Dems."
Says the guy who was squawking about other people's lack of guts.

"The last I knew I had a right to voice my opinion"
So do I.

"they have a right to know how other Dem-Independents are re-acting to them"
So tell us, are you a Democrat or an Independent?

Who appointed you bouncer? Or Commissar? As I recall this place welcomes Democrats and progressives.

I don't much care if he stays or goes...but I think we have a right to know, now that he opened the door, if he is one.

Aren't YOU curious?

I agree with said poster, the criticism is warrented. I've voted for the Democratic Party my whole life, almost uniformly. Like many others on these boards I'm more than a little sick of voting for the lesser of two evils, for people who will betray my interests. Is it too much to ask for something a bit better than the lesser of two evils? Is it too much to ask for the Democratic Party to start acting like the party of FDR? The party that protected the interests of the "little people" against big money. Is it too much to ask that our side not write blank checks for what was obviously going to happen?(Please don't bother trying to parse the IWR, I'm not that stupid and neither are the Democrats in Congress. They were political cowards.)

And no, I'm not curious. Whether or not one claims to be a member of the Democratic Party is irrelevant until the site rules change.

We were told in no uncertain terms that Democrats "have no guts" and are taking bribes. That's not criticism, that's a big fat smear.

"Is it too much to ask for the Democratic Party to start acting like the party of FDR? "
Far as I can see, we are.

"no, I'm not curious"
Too bad.

"Whether or not one claims to be a member of the Democratic Party is irrelevant"
Says who? I sure think non-Democrats sandbagging a Democratic discussion board is against the party's interest.

Inhumanity- see War in Iraq.

No guts- see IWR.

Bribes- If you don't think some Dems are on the take I've got a bridge to sell you.

Party of FDR- Right. Nafta. Consumer banking. Universal Health Care??

Democratic discussion board- see Rules. Since when is this place part and parcel of the Democratic Party? And who are you to define such interest?

And if you don't like the Democrats, feel free to move along. I'm proud of my party and don't want to see it run down...especially by people who aren't Democrats.

Your demand for blind loyalty is sickenly like the other side.

Rant and rave, insult and belittle, your efforts are counterproductive.

Anger management might help. Have a Nice Day, I'm out of here.