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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:21 PM
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Bush approval back down to 38%
So much for the recent bounce.

This is the Zogby phone poll, not the interactive poll:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1049

President Bush’s job approval rating languishes under 40%, despite an upturn in the economy and a public relations onslaught defending the role of the U.S. military in rebuilding Iraq, a new telephone poll by Zogby International shows.

Just 38% of Americans said they approve of the job the President is doing, down from 41% in a national Zogby America survey conducted last month.

The survey showed Mr. Bush is most popular in the western United States, where 46% approve of the job he is doing, and the South, where 44% approve. Just 28% in the East and 37% in the Midwest and Great Lakes states give him good marks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:24 PM
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1. hmm if the bounce don't remian
rove will try something new
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:24 PM
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2. good news comes and goes
I hate to think that my mood swings are inversely related to Bush's approval rating-- but sometimes they are
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:26 PM
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3. Western US?
I wonder how that is defined. The states on the Coast, Cal., Or., and Wash., are blue states and I do not believe that they give him higher than the average approval rating of 38%.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:32 PM
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10. Should read MidWest.
Where I live I'll bet he couldn't get 5%. And I am as West as it gets.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:48 PM
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12. the Makah res in Neah Bay?
unless you aren't in the lower 48...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:26 PM
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4. I knew it was coming, but I didn't think it would be so soon.
I wonder if there was ever any real movement to begin with (besides the movement of the paid Republican chatter monkey's lips, that is.)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:26 PM
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5. Everytime he speaks
the numbers go down. Yay! Keep talkin', Shrub.

Also, wait for the Rove indictment. How low will it go?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:29 PM
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8. I've speculated as low as 19% once winter is over.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 02:31 PM by Kurovski
But then, I'm a wildman of optimism when it comes to our dear leader.

I like to walk on the sunny side of the street.

No "streetwalker" jokes, please.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:27 PM
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6. If Zogby's numbers are right, perhaps U.S. citizens have --
-- finally reached the point where lower gas prices do not eclipse combat deaths as a basis of support for an elected official ("selected" is more like it in this case).

Bush has uniquely earned his low approval ratings. They're not yet low as his administration's representation of democracy, but the public is not buying the "freedom on the march" bullshit these days as they were earlier. Even the hapless press is beginning to find its own feet.

If Bush's numbers are down it's because his administration is low-lying.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:27 PM
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7. Gallup has it at 42% and the republicans are now claimign he'll
be over 50% after the SOTU.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:31 PM
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9. It's time for bushie-tush to get a little uptick before he continues down
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 02:33 PM by meti57b
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:34 PM
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11. Your generosity is commendable.
And your graciousness is in keeping with the holiday spirit of the season.

You are truly a "uniter, not a divider". :-)
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:57 PM
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14. of course, we're generous. W isn't going to see anything as high as 38%
ever again and it's the holiday season.

Dear George .... enjoy! :)
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:16 PM
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33. Your Kitty is beautiful!!!
:)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:05 PM
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19. Nice break in the line
right around the time of the hurricane.

It was flattened out for a bit, but now he's back in free fall.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:06 PM
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20. Thanks for that Meti!
I'm sending it to my relatives.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:52 PM
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13. The economy will be slowing down next year and...
oil prices will rise too. We will still be in Iraq. Bush will fall again before the midterms.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:58 PM
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15. What makes you think the growth will halt?
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 02:59 PM by nickshepDEM
The housing bubble also poses as a threat to Bush. If it pops his ratings could plumit.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:04 PM
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18. Debt loads and the Housing bubble.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:59 PM
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16. Bush approval back down to 38%?
Am I the only one who doesn't believe any of these alleged polls? It's not like they can actually be tested as to their truth and accuracy. I've become so cynical that I no longer trust in anything I read or hear: I think it's all planted. The media is in the hands of the powers that be, and they all dance to the same drummer. It's nothing but a circus: things to keep us focused on garbage while they're actively stealing our country. Most people don't even notice or care. If the truth were told, this fool's approval ratings would have to be in the teens!
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:49 PM
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25. I totally agree with you nancyr!!! thanks for your post.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "actual" approval rating was less than 10! After the past 2 elections... I don't trust any of them either!
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:59 PM
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17. Chris vs. Mike
I think coverage of the Mike vs Chris Wallace rift was probably enough to cause the 2 pt decline.
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Infomaniac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:47 PM
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21. People got their first heating bill. The slide resumes.
Or people have stopped believing his lies. Another poll had most Americans doubtful about the supposed Victory in Iraq plan.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:19 PM
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22. Bush Must Go!
Repeat After me...
Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go!
Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go!
Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go!
Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go! Bush Must Go!

Thanks,
Dap
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:42 PM
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23. Bush Step Down! And Take Your Whole Program With You!
This will be the cry in January at the time of the
State of the Union address. WorldCan'tWait is
organizing demonstrations on DC and elsewhere.

Yesterday they ran a full-page ad in the NY Times, here's a .pdf:

http://worldcantwait.net/flier/nyt.pdf

http://www.worldcantwait.org/


Check out the endorsements:

ACT UP, New York City
Mumia Abu-Jamal, political prisoner, journalist
Imam Talib Abdur-Rashid, mosque of Islamic Brotherhood; Justice Committee, Majlis Ash-Shura, NY
Pam Africa,Move Organization and International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal
After Downing Street Coalition
"Alberto Lovera" Bolivian Circle, New York
Aimee Allison, army conscientious objector (Gulf War
90)/counter-Recruiter
Tom Ammiano, San Francisco Board of Supervisors
Aris Anagnos, Los Angeles
Anti-Flag
Carlos Arango, director of Casa Aztlan*
Edward Asner
Axis of Justice
Rosa Ayala, Justice for Janitors*
William Ayers, professor and author
Russell Banks, writer
Father Luis Barrios, Iglesia San Romero de Las
Americas, New York
Rev. Willie Barrow, Women Connecting*
Dave Berenson, Cleveland, OH, U.S. Green Party
Michael Berg, anti-war activist
Jessica Blank, writer, actor
Blase Bonpane, author
Bob Bossie, SCJ, 8th Day Center for Justice*
Elombe Brath, Patrice Lumumba Coalition, NYC
Carol Brightman, author, "Total Insecurity: The Myth of American Omnipotence"
Dennis Brutus
Gabriel Byrne, Actor
Campus Anti-War Network(CAN)
Tim Carpenter, Director, Progressive Democrats of America
Chicago ADAPT
Ward Churchill
Citizens For Legitimate Government
Kate Clinton, humorist
Clothing of American Mind
David Cobb, 2004 Green Party Presidential Candidate
Code Pink: Women for Peace
Steve Colman, poet
Barry Crimmins, writer/
correspondent, Air America Radio
Culture Clash
Chris Daly, San Francisco Board of Supervisors
DC Anti-War Network
Democrats.com
Carl Dix, Revolutionary Communist Party
Dominican Women's Development Center, New York
Tom Duane, NY State Senator
Michael Eric Dyson, author, "Is Bill Cosby Right?"
Steve Earle, musician
Edwin Ellis, President of Veterans for Peace, LA*
Eve Ensler
Michelle Esrick, actress, poet, filmmaker
Donelle Estey, artist, Artists Against the War
Christian Ettinger, exec. prod. of film "The Weather Underground"
Jodie Evans, Code Pink
Nina Felshin, curator, writer
Rev. John Fife
Jane Fonda
Michael Franti, musician
Aaron Freeman, comdian
Samina Faheem Fundas, American Muslim Voice*
reg e. gaines, poet, playwright
Deborah Glick, NY State Assemblywoman
Global Justice and Peace Ministries, Riverside Church,
New York
Francis Goldin, literary agent
Sam Greenlee, poet
André Gregory, theater director
Andy Griggs, US Labor Against the War, Exec. Board of United Teachers of LA*
Jose Guerrero, artist and muralist, Chicago
Paul Haggis, Director/Writer of Crash, screenwriter of Million Dollar Baby
Haitian Coalition for Justice
Suheir Hammad, poet
Sam Hamill, Poets Against War
Kathleen Hanna, Le Tigre
David Harris, founder of The Resistance*, writer
Jon Hendricks, jazz singer/lyricist
Jon Hendricks, artist
Hermandad Mexicana
Warren M. Hern, MD, MPH, PhD, Director, Boulder Abortion Clinic
Hip Hop Caucus
Marie Howe, poet and writer
Impeach Bush Coalition
Mesha Monge Irizarry, Idriss StelleyFoundation
Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA Relief USA)
Islamic Association of America
Abdeen Jabara, past president, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee*
Ron Jacobs, writer
Alan Jones, Dean of Faculty at Pitzer College*
Bill T. Jones, dancer
Sarah Jones, poet and actor
Rickie Lee Jones, musician
Esther Kaplan, author of With God On Their Side
Casey Kasem
M. Ali Khan, American Muslim Council
C. Clark Kissinger
Frances Kissling, President, Catholics for a Free Choice*
Yuri Kochiyama
Ron Kovic, author, Vietnam Veteran
Jonathan Kozol
Joyce Kozloff, artist
Ray Laforest, organizer, DC 1707, AFSCME*; member, Pacifica National Board*
Beth Lamont
Martha Lavey, Chicago
Mark Leno, California Assemblyman


Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine
James Levin, co-director of Cleveland Festival of Arts & Technology (Ingenuity)
Simon Levy, director, "What I Heard About Iraq" at Fountain St. Theatre
Bruce Lincoln, professor, History of Religions, University of Chicago
Margarita Lopez, New York City Council Member
Haki R. Madhubuti, chairman, publisher, Third World Press
Gregory Maguire, author, "Wicked"
Make the Road by Walking, Bushwick, Brooklyn, NY
Lucinda Marshall, Founder Feminist Peace Network*
Bill Martin, philosopher
Allen Michann, owner, Grand Lake Theater, Oakland, CA
Ellen McLaughlin, actress and playwright
Camilo Mejia, conscientious objector
Dave Meserve, Arcata California city council member
Carol Migden, CA State Senator
Carly Miller, Clothing of the American Mind
Millions More Movement, Pittsburg /Antioch CA organizing committee
Bill Mitchell, co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace*
Leon Mobley, musician
Tom Morello, Audioslave
Tracie Morris, poet
Andrew Muñana, Images Salón, East Los Angeles
National Lawyers Guild
Armando Navarro, chair and professor, Ethnic Studies, UC Riverside
Bill Nevins, teacher, Albuquerque
Not in Our Name
Mike and Julie Nussbaum
Efia Nwangaza, director, African American Institute for Policy Studies, Greenville, SC
Brian O'Leary, PhD., author, former astronaut
Bertell Ollman, prof. Dept. of Politics, NYU
R. Tomás Olmos, President, Mexican American Bar Foundation, Los Angeles County*, Dean Emeritus, People's College of Law*
Outernational
Ozomatli
Jose Padilla*, executive director, California Rural Legal Assistance (CRLA)
Grace Paley, writer
Patrick Henry Democratic Club
Rosalind Petchesky, prof., Hunter College & Grad. Center, CUNY
The Network in Solidarity with the People of the Philippines
Peter Phillips PhD, Project Censored, Sociology Dept Sonoma State University
Jeremy Pikser, screenwriter, Bulworth
Harold Pinter, Nobel Prize winning playwright
Frances Fox Piven
Sterling Plumpp, poet
Kevin Powell, writer
Progressive Democrats of America
Queers for Economic Justice
Jerry Quickley, poet and playwright
Malik Rahim, New Orleans Community Organizer
Michael Ratner, Center for Constitutional Rights*
Reach Hip Hop Coalition
Raghava Reddy, stem cell biologist, biomedical scientist, film maker
Eric Resnick, Gay People's Chronicle* reporter, peace activist, one time candidate for US Congress
Allan Rich, screenwriter/actor
Boots Riley, The Coup
Walter Riley, lawyer
Douglas Rushkoff, author
Kalamu ya Salaam, Listen to the People
JD Samson, Le Tigre
Sonia Sanchez
Rev. Henry Sanders, Fountain of Life Missionary Baptist Church, Watts, CA
San Francisco Bayview Newspaper
Sapphire, poet, writer
Rinku Sen, Colorlines*
Richard Serra, artist
Lou Shaw, writer, creator of Quincy MD
Cindy Sheehan
Martin Sheen
Stanley Sheinbaum, economist, LA
Nancy Spero, artist
Dona Spring, Berkeley Council member
Sunsara Taylor, Revolution newspaper
Studs Terkel
Marianne Torres, Peace and Justice Action League of Spokane*
Dwight Trible, jazz vocalist
Gore Vidal, writer
Kurt Vonnegut
Alice Walker
Wavy Gravy
Leonard Weinglass, lawyer
Rev. Dave Weissbard, senior minister, The Unitarian Universalist Church, Rockford, IL
Cornel West, Princeton University
Rev. Phil Wheaton, Episcopal Co-pastor, Community of Christ, Washington DC
Saul Williams, poet
Standish E. Willis, National Conference of Black Lawyers
Krzysztof Wodiczko, artist
Ann Wright, former US diplomat, resigned in protest of Iraq war
Leland Y. Yee, Speaker pro Tem, California State Assembly
Juanita Young, courageous resister, leader in October 22nd Coalition*
Dave Zeiger, filmmaker, "Sir, No, Sir!"
Zephyr, graffiti artist, writer
Robert Zevin, Robert Brooke Zevin Associates, Inc.
Howard Zinn, historian, "A Peoples' History of the United States"
David Zirin, author, "What's My Name, Fool? Sports and Resistance in the United States"
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:48 PM
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24. when he is 28% nation wide, then I'll have more confidence in the 'Merican
electorate
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 02:13 PM
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32. Not everyone has the access to media you have
Look at the electoral red/blue map. The general rule is that Bush country is anywhere
more than ten miles from a book store. People believe their media. I followed that
standard for ten years. "If anything important happens, I'll hear about it on NPR."

Then I started researching things for myself on the internet, and found that NPR
let me down on Bush v. Gore and 9/11 and the voting machines and the 2004
election irregularities.

But take heart. There are now only three red states left: Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho.
And if those folks knew what we know, they'd be howling for Bush to be sent to The
Hague!

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001110.html
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:03 AM
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26. Kick for great news! Thanks again.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:35 AM
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27. Probably 25-30%- "they" knew taking it into the 40s wasn't believable.
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 03:36 AM by Dr Fate
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:38 AM
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28. HA!!!
Loser. In the south 44%? Wow, that's pretty bad!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:04 AM
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29. When a ball falls to the cellar floor and bounces...
...it eventually comes to rest at its lowest point on the floor.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:33 AM
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30. Who still supports these dishonest shit heads?
People running through the streets of New York City for their lives.
Towers toppling.
Entire American cities wiped out.
Treasury raped. Money gone. Poof.
The CiC can't speak English at the 2nd grade level.
Don Rumsfeld is insane.
Dead soldiers and civilians, based on lies.

And on and on.


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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:42 AM
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31. And I helped!
As a "registered Repub", the witless one(s) all got a "poor" from me.
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