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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:31 PM
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Two blogs about Cegelis and Duckworth situation.
One of them opens up a question I have. I did not think the DCCC financed a candidate in the primary, but they are apparently pushing Duckworth into the race. MyDD blog mentions a million that she will given apparently in the primary. So that sort of surprised me. Duckworth will apparently announce on This Week on Sunday with George S.

There is so much going on here that I think it deserves looking at. We have a similar situation going on in District 16 in Florida, where two candidates have already been requested to drop out for the one the DCCC wants. So in reality it is of concern to all of us.

From MyDD, a diary by Matt Stoller:

He mentions that larger donors to Cegelis won't come until the beginning of next year, perhaps after March.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/12/15/193129/94

Kos posted about the IL-06 primary fight, and Rahm Emmanuel's involvement in it. I've been meaning to circle back to this issue, and I will in a bit with some firmer information. From my initial phone calls, here's what the situation on the ground seems to look like. Christine Cegalis, a Mom and a political amateur, decided out of pure civic anger to take on a 30 year incumbent in 2004, Henry Hyde. Il-06 is a suburb of Chicago, a Republican district turning bluer by the day.

Cegalis was a netroots candidate. While she was not expected to do particularly well in 2004, she exceeded expecations and got 44% of the vote, though she exhibited a lot of the pitfalls a new candidate does. In particular she low fundraising numbers, though she had lots of small donors she was light on the big ones. She is progressive and grassroots oriented, and has built a substantial volunteer presence in a moderately Republican district that is turning bluer (it's a suburb of Chicago). The seat is now open since Hyde is retiring, and IL-06 is seen as a prime pickup opportunity. Prior to Cegalis, the district had almost no organization, and she seems to have had a big hand in building what exists there now. Her fundraising has been low, but not excessively so. Rahm's district is right next door at IL-5, and he has consistently tried to recruit someone else to run. Duckworth is his third choice to run in the primary, since the other two dropped out. Additionally, even the DCCC isn't raising that much money, falling behind the RNCC, the DCCC is dropping $1 million on Duckworth to help her against Cegalis. He also engineered her appearance on This Week to announce her candidacy, and he has been discouraging donors to give to Cegalis.


A lot more in his post there. And from Kos's diary on the same interesting topic.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/15/152555/98

IL-06 looks set to host a bitter primary between grassroots star Christine Cegelis and decorated Iraq War vet Tammy Duckworth. I've expressed my admiration for Duckworth before, and I've been a fan of Cegelis since her first run in 2004. So I've got no dog in this race. Like the Ohio Senate Democratic primary, I feel that Democrats win regardless of who emerges from the primary.

But, this is a classic insider-outsider race. The DCCC has been undermining Cegelis for months, making sure donors knew that they were working hard to find someone to replace/take on Cegelis. The D-trip claimed Rahm's efforts stemmed from Cegelis' poor fundraising, but of course Rahm was working to sabotage her fundraising. It's the same dynamic we're seeing in Florida as the GOP works to sabotage Katherine Harris' fundraising, then using her poor results as an excuse to try and find an alternative.

(Kos is correct on Katherine Harris...they are undermining her at every turn and will put in their own choice.)

So a little ugly, but that's politics. Tensions are bound to run high an all sides, especially when the DCCC does its "heavy hand" routine. But like Klau writes, it's a democratic process. The voters of the district will ultimately decide who they support.

But then Klau caught someone at the D-trip running astro-turf on his site on Duckworth's behalf:

And then there was this comment left earlier today by "Lisa", who says she lives in Melissa Bean's district and lays out why she thinks Duckworth is the right candidate. Interestingly, the IP address associated with Lisa's computer is owned by the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

The DCCC is in the same building as the DNC. Perhaps a rogue staffer, but still, not the sort of thing the DCCC needs as tensions run high. This whole situation has clearly been mishandled.


If you are interested in reading an account of the Florida District 16, here is a post about it.

http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-is-democratic-party-recruiting.html






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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:38 PM
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1. Rahm is not one of my favorites.
And I abhor those tactics, they remind one that politics is a dirty, nasty business. I think I will send a twenty to Cegelis, she deserves the shot at the general election.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. We donated to her last year, and did recently again.
She was a Dean Dozen, and she had a good group on the ground.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 09:55 PM
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3. Cegelis has already run and lost once....
Cegelis has raised just $150,000 AND SPENT TWO-THIRDS OF THAT WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:17 PM
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4. Not true. She has a lot to show for it.
Perhaps you have not yet picked up on the fact that Rahm keeps throwing candidates into that district against her. Don't worry, she will have support.

Please don't shout.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:35 AM
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12. She hasn't got a thing to show for it....
On the one hand, an Iraq veteran with a million dollar war chest; on the other hand a flop who has no money (and his pissed away most of what she did have).

Tough choice (NOT).
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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Where is the million dollar war chest from?
This is wholly money raised from the DCCC not Duckworth. Answer me this, if Duckworth were trying to raise this money all on her own, would she have a million dollars by now?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:16 PM
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24. You tell me....
"This is wholly money raised from the DCCC"
Wonder how they did that?

http://www.dccc.org/campaignforchange/

"would she have a million dollars by now?"
Don't know...do YOU think that she'd have spent two thirds of it by now?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. answer my question
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM by LSK
How much does it cost to run a campaign for a year? Because Cegelis has been campaigning for most of the year.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM
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32. It shouldn't cost a fucking thing in a non-election year....
"Because Cegelis has been campaigning for most of the year."
Jeeze, there's the sort of judgement you want in a candidate </sarcasm>. So tell us, what form did this "campaigning" take?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. I DONT RECALL ANY ELECTIONS IN 2005
SO HOW THE FVCK CAN YOU JUDGE THAT SHE HAS NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT???

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. I hear the gears grinding, but nothing comes out....
Tell me, if there was no election, what DID she spend the money ON?

She wasn't buying TV time or newspaper ads....
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. right here genious
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM by LSK
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00394007/189462/

NOW TELL US WHAT IS OUT OF LINE?!?!?!?!?!?

"She wasn't buying TV time or newspaper ads...."

How would you know? You dont live here.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. So she's paying herself $122,321 out of $160,945
for "operating expenditures"?

What the fuck IS there to operate? There's no election in 2005. There isn't even a primary.

"How would you know?"
You mean she WAS buying TV time? For what?

Geeze, somebody with THIS kind of "fiscal repsonsibility" shouldn't even get near the dog catcher's petty cash drawer.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. she is?
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM by LSK
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00394007/189462/sb/ALL

Keep opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. Sure seems like wasted money to me when there's no campaign
in an off year....
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. yeah, running a website, having a staff and putting on fundraisers
I suppose thats waste. Ok, whatever.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:03 PM
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53. It sure as shit shouldn't cost $121,000 when there's NO election
The point of a fundraiser is to have funds COME IN.....
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. yeah, staffers work for free nowadays....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. A-and what do they do when there's no election?
Does she just run around with staffers PRETENDING she's a Congressperson?

I'd bet there are candidates for the House in 2006 who are actual state legislators and didn't spend $121,000 on staffers.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. then you go find them and come back to us with who they are
Ok, Mr Speculation?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. No, I'm content to ask aloud why she blew $121,000
in a non-election year...and let what that shows about her judgement hang in the air...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. then I would question your wisdom
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00394007/189462/sb/ALL

As far as Im concerned, candidates cannot start early enough to defeat Republicans. But I guess Dinos have no interest in defeating Republicans.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:41 PM
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5. Cegelis is not ENTITLED to the nomination. . .if she beats Tammy. . .
. . .she has my support, but she is not ENTITLED TO IT. It appears those of us supportive of a Duckworth candidacy are willing to accept a Cegelis nomination if she beats Tammy, how many Cegelis DU supporters are willing to back Tammy if she wins?
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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Where does it say Cegalis is entitled to the nomination?
I have not said it and I challenge you to find where I've said that in any of the posts. Of course, we would support the Democratic nominee in the General election whether it's Cegalis or Duckworth.

I will, however, defend my or any other person's right to object strongly to the underhanded tactics used by the DCCC in this race.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. And those underhanded tactics would be?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm You can make allegations, but that is all they will be and if Tammy is selected as the nominee she could be tainted by them. Most of us who have had problems with Cegelis are concerned about her ability to win in the general election, we HAVE NEVER EVER attacked her from a policy or character standpoint, and if she were to win the nomination our concerns during the primary would weigh her down in the General election, as a matter of fact her (Cegelis) victory in a hard fought primary will be an encouraging sign to many of us. Duckworth has been labeled a baby killer, anti-choice (really?) a pro-war neocon, etc. Please show my where I or others have raised concerns about Cegelis other than her capabilities as a candidate.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. Exactly....
Good post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #5
16. Why do you have entitled in all caps. I did not use that term.
I feel sorry for the folks in that district. There is apparently a lot of hate toward Cegelis for not just leaving the race when asked to do so. It shows in your post.

There was not that tone in mine. I was presenting a couple of blogs about it.

Cegelis would do best to do as she would asked by the DCCC of which Rahm is chairman...and just quietly leave. I hope she does not.

Don't forget to watch Duckworth announce on This Week this coming Sunday.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #16
23. I live in the district
And our Congress needs people like Cegelis! A real progressive.

BUT I GUESS YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEND MONEY WHEN CAMPAIGNING!!! :grr:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:04 AM
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17. THIS IS FVCKING BULLSHIT
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:14 AM by LSK
When did she raise it and when did she spend it???

SHE HAS BEEN CAMPAIGN ALL FUCKING YEAR. YOU THINK IT COSTS $0 TO CAMPAIGN???

BTW do you live in RED AS FUCK Dupage County??? I do. I can count dozens of "support our troops" stickers on my 10 minute drive to work. Yet she got 44% against that longterm dinosour Henry Hyde.



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #17
27. LOL!
"SHE HAS BEEN CAMPAIGN ALL FUCKING YEAR."
The election isn't until November. Why the fuck would she be campaigning when there is no election?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. i guess you missed the part of it being a very RED area...
But if its DLC strategy to do a quick 5 minute campaign, no wonder we have no control of Congress.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Certainly wouldn't want a wounded war veteran running there....
</sarcasm>
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. especially one who does not live in district and is a total unknown
And there are unchallenged districts elsewhere in IL.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Duckworth is far from unknown....
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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. She's unknown in the 6th District
until a few weeks ago.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. So everywhere else in the country she's big news...
but not in the 6th District.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. where else is she big news?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Asks the guy squawking about ABC News covering her....
Ho-kay.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. well you become news when DCCC gets you on TV
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 01:08 PM by LSK
But previous to that ?

Where is that kind of support for someone who got 44% against Hyde last year and is running again?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:14 PM
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. and her stance on the Patriot Act is???
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Guess that means that the "unknown" claim was bull....
just as I said.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. and her stance on the estate tax is?
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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. She is an unknown as a candidate for Congress
No one knows her stands on any number of issues. I know, I know, she can't come out with her views until she is discharged from the Army, etc., etc. All your links are to her testifying in front of a Congressional committee back in March.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. her family and friends dont count
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. No shit, sherlock....
"There's a primary in April"
And she's been unopposed all fucking year (she won't have an opponent until Sunday, according to this thread, such as it is). Who is she campaigning to, and how?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:45 PM
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6. I think the source has to confirm that the DCCC is actually giving . . .
. . .Duckworth $1 million, its an easy accusation to make, but I would like to see that backed up. Also one thing that is not mentioned is why those people willing to pony up for Duckworth won't do it for Cegelis. Obviously they know the district is important, but for some reason they have not been moved to donate to Cegelis. Of course those who are paranoid will pin it on Rahm. . .but that is getting pretty old. I'm sure if the chairman of the DNC asked they would do it, right or has he asked?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:39 PM
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7. Because they want another "Fighting Dem"....
She has been meeting with congressional leaders, she is getting on This Week, though an unknown. She is getting a lot of perks that are unusual for a newbie to politics.

The contributions will be watched, and it is believed that Matt's source is pretty reliable.

I believe we are up to a dozen Fighting Dems now? I think it is getting obvious.

There are ways to get her set up, and they are used all the time. Many of us will donate to Cegelis, DFA will help her again, and many of the local folks are a wee tad pissed off. Christine won't have as much money, because the big money will got where Emanuel says it will go.

They do not want a pro-choice candidate running apparently, and Duckworth is not that.



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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
15. I want to see the checks cut directly from the DCCC. . .
. . .to Duckworth for the primary, without that these are false, baseless and liablous allegations.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Well, I have been accused of not being politically astute.
So I don't know if that is how it works. I did not make the allegations.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #15
30. why dont you explain to us how a total unknown gets on National TV
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. Cegelis is buying NATIONAL TV time?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. what are you talking about? total UNKNOWN Duckworth is on TV this week
I didnt know total UNKNOWNS get to announce the primary candidacy on ABC....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. Guess that puts the lie to "unknown," doesn't it?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. how so?
Then tell us what her position is on Iraq?

It only proves that the DCCC went and found someone and is getting her on National TV. Nothing of her own doing except being a wounded vet.
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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. No
Duckworth is going to be on National TV this weekend! Geez, at least have some facts before spouting off!!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. So what's Cegelis blowing all this money on?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. ok so the DLC policy is to run a 5 minute campaign???
I suppose you can just go into a red district, air 2 commercials and expect a win???

No wonder the Dems have been loosing so long....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. (sigh)
DO try and keep the DCCC and the DLC straight....

How is campaigning for the primary until April a "5 minute" campaign?

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. COMPLETE ITEMIZED LIST HERE
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. Sorry, LSK
You're wasting your time with Mr.B. I'm in DuPage (Aurora/Naperville area) and know exactly what you're talking about.

Anyone who attempts to make an argument that a candidate shouldn't be campaigning (which takes money) even before today for the 2006 election is clueless.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. By the way, here's Anne Wolfe for Congress (NJ)
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 01:29 PM by MrBenchley
She's raised $71,000 so far and spent just $6,000 so far.

http://disclosure.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00397026/193488/

Here's David Ashe (VA); raised $49,000, spent just $7,000...

http://disclosure.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00397844/189589/

Here's Steve Filson (CA) who's got three other challengers in the primary; raised $104,000, spent just $3,750....

http://disclosure.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00413963/189227/
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:33 PM
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70. look, its 3 people who will get their ass kicked in 2006...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:38 PM
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71. Sez you.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:03 PM
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76. I Support What Norquist Nemesis Said....Mr. Benchley & wndycty
are some of our resident rightwing Democrats. They're in love with the DLC and the DCCC (who they claim are not in bed together, but, strangely enough, share the same members).

There is big money in politics, for those who work for corporations. They will do what is in the interest of those corporations, whether it's the primary or general elections. Corporate money supports corporate agendas, and they're in both parties, for a good reason -- to make sure that, no matter WHO wins, their agendas will be protected.

It's the biggest problem America faces today, and the grassroots "slaves" don't have a say in it. Every time we open our mouths, we're shouted down.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP OPENING OUR MOUTHS!! It's OUR country, and it's up to us to overcome the problem the money people have created.

:kick::kick::kick:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:26 PM
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77. Thanks for calling me a right winger . . .
. . .its safe to say you no very little about me, my background or my politics. . .but if it makes you feel better go right ahead.
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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:51 PM
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8. Vote for Cegalis if you are against the war....
Or else you can vote for another collaborator with the Republicans. Oh yeah! Vote Bush-Lite. Didn't a few other Dem losers try that last time?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:47 AM
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10. Duckworth got release papers yesterday. Will announce Sunday ..
on This Week.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=132297

"While starting from scratch a little more than three months before the March 21 primary, Duckworth is expected to get plenty of help from Chicago Congressman Rahm Emanuel. He’s the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee who recruited Duckworth into the race and has assembled a top-flight team of Democratic operatives to jump-start her campaign. (Can that be done in a primary race?)

Duckworth’s decision to run leaves fellow Democrat Christine Cegelis, a Rolling Meadows technology consultant, in a tough position. If Cegelis wins, she’s angered Emanuel, who controls the money spigot for Democrats nationally that Cegelis would need to take on the well-funded Roskam. An under-funded Cegelis got 44 percent against Hyde last year.

Duckworth, who lives just outside the 6th District but is eligible to run, also is scheduled to appear Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” program, whose host, George Stephanopoulos, worked with Emanuel in the Clinton White House."

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:08 AM
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11. What bothers me about this is that the DCCC is doing it to more
then one candidate. I hear a lot of chatter and one of the biggest themes is that the DCCC really has no idea what it is doing. IF it wants to win more races why is it 1. raising more money, 2. seeding candidates without a primary regardless of bad "numerical odds" and 3. stop pushing people in against proven vote getters. (There is more then one race with a previous candidate who did as well who has this same thing happening to them.)

Christine has this great grassroots efforts, why not drop her some decent cash and then get someone to run in a district that needs a person to run in. We need to have someone running in all 435 districts regardless of chances of winning.

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minvis Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:07 AM
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21. Excellent post
We have other suburban Chicago districts, like Hastert's, that have no Democratic candidate as of yet. Why are we pushing another one in a district that already has a Democratic challenger?
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:07 AM
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79. that is my view of it. And it wastes money.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:10 AM
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22. It's stuff like this that Pelosi should get in the middle
and have a chat with Rahm. Honestly, I don't understand where he gets off splitting the vote and throwing $1million into the wind! Is he planning on telling Duckworth (or Cegalis) to wholeheartedly throw support to the primary winner? That's going to just piss off the voters of #2 that worked for the loser.

Great work, Rahm. :sarcasm:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:25 PM
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75. Splitting the vote? LOL
This is a 3 person primary with the true showdown being between Cegelis and Duckworth. In there general election it will be the Democratic nominee (Duckworth or Cegelis) v. the Republican nominee (Roskam). So by the general election there will be no splitting the vote.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:09 PM
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58. The smarty talk here, and the DCCC tactics....are getting obvious.
The attitudes here of those representing only the smoke-filled rooms party leaders, the talking down to the rest of us, the attitude that we are stupid and ignorant.....will backfire.

When all you can do is attack those who present cases and issues, when you can no longer defend what your side is doing...then it shows.

The DCCC will most likely prevail in this because they have more money. However, when party leaders burn bridges with the people of the party and treat them contemptuously they will not have won after all..

The Fighting Dems is being way overdone...it is out of control It assumes that we Dems are not bright and it assumes the Republicans are stupid as well.

So even if Duckworth wins the primary, it will still be a loss for the people of the party. Rahm might win over yet another grassroots inspired candidates with hopes and dreams...but he will have given us a loss for hopes and dreams.

To those who hop in every thread with arrogant attacks, it shows. People notice. They often don't know how to fight back against tactics that we expect from Republicans.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:40 PM
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72. LOL!
"When all you can do is attack those who present cases and issues"
You mean like the people lying about Duckworth? Or do you mean the people trying to pretend that a candidate who blows two thirds of her dough in a non-election year is SOP?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:44 PM
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73. Go ahead, Benchley. Go ahead.
You are doing a good job of presenting the case against the top down power model in the DCCC and DSCCC.

The arrogance of it is showing now in many ways. People are waking up. They are tired of being laughed at and talked down to.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:49 PM
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74. I'm quite happy to
Just as I was happy to show that Cegelis has blown $121,000 in a period where comparable Democratic candidates around country have spent $4,000-$7,000....

"People are waking up."
Where? You couldn't prove it by the Cegelis supporters here....
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:39 PM
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78. i still dont understand how she has BLOWN $121k
I GAVE YOU AN ITEMIZED LIST. TELL US WHAT IN THERE IS WASTE!!!!

Do you not understand how important 2006 is? Is this a fvcking game to you? Is it a joke that 2000 soldiers are dead???

I WISH EVERY REPUBLICAN HAD A CHALLENGER WHO HAS BLOWN $1MILLION THIS YEAR. WE NEED EVERYTHING TO WIN IN 2006.

WHAT YOU SAY IS TOTAL BS! YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT WANT DEMOCRATS TO WIN. THERES NO OTHER WAY TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU CLAIM A POLITICIAN CAMPAIGNING HAS "BLOWN" $121K.



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:24 AM
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80. She's blown $121,000 in a non-election year on nothing
At a time when other Democrats in her position around the country have spent between $3,000-$7,000.

"I WISH EVERY REPUBLICAN HAD A CHALLENGER WHO HAS BLOWN $1MILLION THIS YEAR."
Yeah, because you wouldn't actually want a Democratic candidate to have any cash on hand when it was actually election time, or anything....
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