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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:43 AM
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Discuss Patriot Act in Senate from CSpan2 here
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 12:29 PM by Don1
Discuss what is going on here.

Here is what happened earlier:
GOP Senator Kyl is now talking about how 44 Democrats in the House supported reauthorizing Patriot Act. He says that Democratic Senators should also not be so "partisan." So there you go. The fact that the DiNOs in the House supported the Patriot Act earlier in the week is killing our civil rights in more ways.

Let's hope that Feingold and even Sununu filibuster. Sununu might. He's from NH and they have a motto there: "Live Free or Die."

Let's see what happens.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:54 AM
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1. Feingold already has enough support for a filibuster.
He has at least 4 republicans on his side too. Sununu, Craig, Murkowski, and I think Hagel has now come over. That means Bush has to get 9 Democrats to come over to his side and vote for cloture. And that's not going to happen. He might get Joe Traitorman (D-CT) and maybe Ben Nelson or Joe Biden, but I can't see him getting much more than that.

The NRA is not taking a position with this issue, which leaves the door open for the gun toting conservatives to oppose this measure at their will. I wouldn't be surprised if more Republicans come over, too.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM
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15. Liberman said no, but
Nelson said Aye.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM
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19. nelson never votes with Democrats
and I mean never. I scored Senator scores for progressivity, and he scored a "0". 9 republicans score better than he does. If Nelson isn't a neocon, then he might as well be because I don't see a difference in his voting. Even Leiberman voted with Democrats 30% of the time.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 PM
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26. Can you post a link with your scores??
Please. I am very interested in this sort of thing. Thanks!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:03 AM
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31. sure
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 12:04 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
sorry...I am at a professional conference, so I was away from the comp for many hours.

I posted the whole thing on dailykos (after posting it originally here).

The methodology is included, as well. I think it is much better than ADA's method, which I find.....unsatisfying (does anyone believe that Leiberman, who votes 30% with us, has a 77% rating and Feinstein is more of a progressive than Boxer?)

read halfway down the page for my full list and the methodology. I didn't know if th KOS people would be interested in it, so I waited for someone to ask.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/10/133312/333
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:00 PM
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2. Anyone else watching the Senate? nt
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:04 PM
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5. Yup.
I am watching, too.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:02 PM
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3. Lieberman voted no on cloture...how refreshing.
Any Senator reading the NYT headlines about Bush Inc.
spying on us should have reservations about the
Patriot Act.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:05 PM
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6. I was glad to hear he caved due to pressure, too.
We sent petitions thru email on this one in CT.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:03 PM
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4. Feinstein no on cloture...numbers are adding up. nt
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:06 PM
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7. Clinton said no, too.
WooHoo!
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:07 PM
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8. Oops, Ben Nelson from NE just said Aye. n/t
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:07 PM
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9. he is a real DINO...nt
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:09 PM
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10. After NYT headlines this morning, all Senators should have reservation
They should be demanding answers from this administration,
not voting on permanancy of the Patriot act
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:09 PM
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11. Chafee aye. Obama no. nt
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:13 PM
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12. Lincoln, another DLC'er, said No.
Things are looking good.

Enough Republicans seemed to have defected such that DiNOs do not have the numbers to get to 60.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:16 PM
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13. Kohl said No, but Snowe said Aye.
I thought Snowe would defect.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:18 PM
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14. Byrd??
I think he may have said Aye. I was distracted. Did you get the rollcall on him?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 PM
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16. I thought he said aye also early on...don't have a rollcall yet...nt
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 PM
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18. Byrd just switched.
Awesome pressure for this one.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:21 PM
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17. Kyl is second only to Frist in the revulsion factor when he speaks.
And he is one of my Senators, for now.

To help the campaign to defeat him next year:


http://pederson2006.com/
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:25 PM
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20. Funny.
Revulsion factor. I like it.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM
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22. Someone should build a fence around Kyl
he should be an illegal alien.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:26 PM
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21. Did Frist just say No????
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM
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23. 52-47
Yay! They did not get 60!

Please filibuster.

Please.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM
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24. Cloture not invoked...yes! three month extension now up
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM
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25. Changed thread title.
Maybe others are interested...
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:33 PM
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27. See this thread re Frist's tactics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2315918
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:34 PM
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28. Oh. What a jerk.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:35 PM
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29. Jeff Sessions sucks - what a little freakazoid he is
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:36 PM
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30. They whine very well!!!
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