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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:42 PM
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Indictment Looms for Rove, Hadley email at crux' of CIA leak investigation
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 02:13 PM by stop the bleeding
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  • 12/16/2005 Possible Indictment Looms for Rove /Rove, Hadley email 'at crux' of CIA leak investigation Jason Leopold- Raw Story


    In late January 2004, the grand jury investigating whether top officials in the Bush administration knowingly leaked Valerie Plame Wilson's name and covert CIA status to reporters subpoenaed the White House for records of administration contacts with more than two-dozen journalists going back two years, to determine if any officials talked about Plame with the media.

    According to people close to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's probe, one such document was not turned over to the grand jury by the Feb. 6, 2004 deadline: an email White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove had sent in July 2003 to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. In the email, Rove told Hadley that he spoke to Time Magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vocal critic of the administration's prewar Iraq intelligence.

    Rove had told the grand jury, as well as FBI and Justice Department investigators, that he learned about Plame's identity after reading about her in news reports. Only then did he speak about Plame with other journalists, people familiar with his grand jury testimony said.

    The grand jury subpoenaed the White House for any information concerning contacts with the 25 reporters on Jan. 22, 2004. It was the second time a directive was issued ordering White House officials to turn over records to determine if officials had spoken about Plame, her husband, and the administration's claims that Iraq had attempted to acquire uranium-the key component for a nuclear bomb-from Niger with journalists.

    Three months earlier, in late 2003, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales enjoined all White House staff to turn over any communication about Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband. Gonzales' request came 12 hours after senior White House officials had been told of the pending investigation. The email Rove sent to Hadley never turned up in that request either, people close to the investigation said.

    Rove's alleged failure to disclose his conversations with Cooper and Novak and the fact that he didn't turn over the Hadley email on two separate occasions is the reason he's been in Fitzgerald's crosshairs and may end up being indicted, people close to the investigation said.



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    The grand jury subpoenaed the White House for any information concerning contacts with the 25 reporters on Jan. 22, 2004. It was the second time a directive was issued ordering White House officials to turn over records to determine if officials had spoken about Plame, her husband, and the administration's claims that Iraq had attempted to acquire uranium-the key component for a nuclear bomb-from Niger with journalists.

    Three months earlier, in late 2003, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales enjoined all White House staff to turn over any communication about Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband. Gonzales' request came 12 hours after senior White House officials had been told of the pending investigation. The email Rove sent to Hadley never turned up in that request either, people close to the investigation said.

    Rove's alleged failure to disclose his conversations with Cooper and Novak and the fact that he didn't turn over the Hadley email on two separate occasions is the reason he's been in Fitzgerald's crosshairs and may end up being indicted, people close to the investigation said.

    It's also the reason Fitzgerald had grown suspicious at the time that Rove may have hid or destroyed evidence related to his role in the leak, they said, adding that Fitzgerald may have already been aware of the existence of the email, perhaps even obtaining a copy from a witness or another White House official, and waited to see if Rove would cite it or his conversations with Cooper in his grand jury testimony.

    It may also explain why Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, has reportedly testified that he had a conversation with one of Cooper's Time magazine colleagues, Viveca Novak, in February 2004. Luskin maintains that he and Novak met in February of 2004 over drinks in Washington, D.C. and Novak tipped him off that she heard Rove was Cooper's source.

    By bringing Novak into the mix, Luskin came up with a defense for why Rove did not immediately recall having a conversation with Cooper. It's important for Rove to assert that the meeting took place that month, otherwise he doesn't have a good defense for why the email he sent to Hadley wasn't found the second time.

    Novak testified last week that she spoke with Luskin several times during the first half of 2004. But she did not believe she said anything to Luskin in February about Rove being Cooper's source. In her first person Time magazine account about her testimony, she wrote that she believed she told Luskin in either March or May-but most likely May-that the internal buzz at Time was that Rove was Cooper's source for his story on Plame.

    Luskin testified that after he spoke with Novak, he and Rove did an exhaustive search for evidence to determine if Rove did in fact speak with Cooper about Plame. Luskin said they then found the Hadley email and turned it over to Fitzgerald.

    If Luskin and Novak did meet in March or May and discuss Rove being Cooper's source it doesn't address why the Hadley email didn't turn up in January, when the White House was subpoenaed. That's why Luskin has been insistent that he and Novak met in February, people close to the case said, in order to explain how he was able to find the Hadley email just as the White House was responding to the subpoena.

    Otherwise, it hurts Rove's case and makes it much more difficult for Fitzgerald and the grand jury to believe that Luskin and Rove were able to find the same email months later after speaking with Novak, people close to the case said.

    Still, Rove did not testify about his conversation with Cooper until Oct. 15, 2004. It's unclear when Luskin turned over the Hadley email to Fitzgerald and why it took at best nearly six months for Rove to finally testify about his conversation with Cooper.

    "What Luskin is doing is trying to say that he found the email after his conversation with Ms. Novak but before the White House turned over evidence of administration contacts with journalists," one attorney close to the case said. "He understands that it would be quite difficult to explain to the prosecutor how this email miraculously turned up in either March or May but not in January or February. That's why it appears he is stating that he spoke with Ms. Novak in February."

    This discrepancy is at the crux of what Fitzgerald is investigating. Rove didn't reveal to the grand jury that he had spoken with Cooper until Oct. 15, 2004. Luskin says that Rove did not intentionally withhold information from Fitzgerald or the grand jury about his conversation with Cooper. Rather, he says Rove had simply forgotten about it, and Luskin's meeting with Novak had helped jog Rove's memory.




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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:44 PM
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    1. Gee maybe the NSA tap intercepted it?
    Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 01:45 PM by Burried News
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    leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:21 PM
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    7. You may be literally correct.
    Look, the thing about the Patriot Act that most people already understand is that it allows gov't agencies to retain and share information about US persons. But, here's a side of it that not many may have caught onto, yet. What if the DIA, for instance, wants to determine exactly who's responsible for the "16 little words", or the CIA wishes to track down the original leaker of Valerie Plame, or FBI Counter-terrorism would like to set the record straight about exactly what Dubya was told about the al-Qaeda cells inside the U.S. the summer of 2001 and why he decided not to roll up the UBL cells before 9/11?

    The answer, my friends, is that the Patriot Act makes it legal for these agencies to retain, analyze and share among them -- and with the US Attorney from Chicago -- the intercepts that NSA has stored. Do you really think they wouldn't, and haven't?

    This is a town of dossier collectors and turf protectors. Always has been, and always will be. The Patriot Act just makes it easier to keep tabs on the opposition on the other side of the Potomac.

    Mark

    P.S. - I love those Googling Monkeys. But, too intelligent to be White House operatives.

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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:43 PM
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    8. About 6 months ago on another board a poster who seemed to
    know alot about intelligence, kept saying that the files on Bolton (that the Dems wanted for his confirmation) that the WH wouldn't release - showed that he had NSA intercepts. The Dems knew what they were asking for. They knew about NSA domestic intercepts.

    Let's watch them put the lid on this one.
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    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:55 PM
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    11. was the poster, H2O Man or Peace Patriot or is it Proud Patriot I always
    confuse the two, they seem to think along those lines and are usually ahead of the game.

    Does it really matter if this has the "lid put back on" if Fitz ends up indicting Rove.

    Meaning if Fitz indicts Rove do the wheels on the Bus end up falling off?


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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:32 PM
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    12. I don't know because it was on another board with different ID's.
    This flap can be bigger than Plame because Bolton may have had intercepts involving members of Congress according to that poster.
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    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:14 PM
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    13. I would be VERY interested in seeing this line of reasoning,
    if you come across it again please PM me


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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:26 AM
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    14. Remember we were bugging the UN and Kofi Annan just before
    the war in Iraq. The UN is not US Territory but it is in the US and obviously the capability exists BUT I never saw that it was NSA intercepts in that case.
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    leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:31 AM
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    15. Everyone is bugging everyone else. During Monikagate it came out
    that the Israeli Embassy was taping phone conversations between Clinton and Lewinsky

    The NSA's sigint monitors every line of communication that might potentially have any intelligence value. It was doing that before 9/11 and does it more so today, but retains more and shares it with more clients. The routing list has been expanded exponentially.

    C

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    The Sleeper Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:44 PM
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    2. Gee...
    The "Caged" look really seems to suit them, don't cha think ?
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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:47 PM
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    3. Agree - your wish is my command.
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    HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:02 PM
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    4. I'm not sure what to think, but this is as plausible an explanation
    Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 02:07 PM by HereSince1628
    as any I've heard to explain why Viveca's testimony, which really has always seemed to be about timing, is important.






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    cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:10 PM
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    5. The house of cards is falling....
    DU:ers, we are living in historic times. I just read an amazing story on Yahoo News where Bob Novak gave the White House the finger, just as he is leaving his job at CNN. Novak said, "the American public should 'bug' Bush about who the leaker is (Plame). I'm confident he knows".

    Unbelievable. Even the crony smells a whiff of disaster and sticks in the knife as he takes off.

    The walls of the fortress have broken. And the reason is Iraq. Iraq has become too much of a liability. The real power brokers must have made this assessment because Bush is swinging in the wind.

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    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:16 PM
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    6. I have been watching the Rats jump ship all fall.
    With all of the "investigations" going on involving Capitol Hill, it is amazing who says what when there is Prison Time on the line.



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    Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:46 PM
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    9. I agree - he would have never given in to McCain if this were not the
    Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 03:34 PM by Burried News
    case.
    As you said:
    "The real power brokers must have made this assessment because Bush is swinging in the wind."
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    jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:55 PM
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    10. So drinks in Feb, testify in Oct.
    It took Rove 8 months after the e-mail was supposedly turned over to remember that his lawyer reminded him of the conversation? Am I reading this correctly?

    Luskin can say what he wants about the timing, I am sure that Fitzgerald knows when he got the e-mail. I would hope he was keeping track of the going-ons of the case, otherwise there are some real problems with his competence I would think. I don't know really anything about the processing of documents in a legal case, but I would think a time /date stamp when received, would be applied to all things relevant.
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    Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:43 AM
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    16. So, let's see ...
    Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 08:44 AM by Jim__
    About this call to Cooper:

    - Rove withheld a memo that talked about it,
    - Rove forgot to mention it to the FBI and the Grand Jury,
    - "Somehow" it didn't get logged.

    I can't wait to see how this series of events are described in Fitz' indictment of Rove.
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    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:26 PM
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    17. Yeah if Rove's get presented in the same way as Libby's then Rove
    will surely be screwed.

    Innocent until proven guilty kind of loses it's ring after reading the Libby indictment.

    Rest assured that when Fitz indicts it's almost game over at that point for the defense.



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