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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:26 PM
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Bush "Spiked" bin Laden investigations prior to 9-11-01
If Bush was authorizing illegal wiretaps via the NSA, as the media is reporting as of Oct. 2001, then why is it that this story, reported by Greg Palast in Britain got reported there but not here domestically ?

FBI AND US SPY AGENTS SAY BUSH SPIKED BIN LADEN PROBES BEFORE 11 SEPTEMBER
The Guardian (London)
Wednesday, November 7, 2001
2001 Project Censored Award Winner

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=1

Let me get this straight, Bush deliberately spikes probes prior to the 9-11 attacks and immediately after he starts an illegal wiretapping program, despite the current law's allowance for a 72 hour 'head start' ?

I never thought I'd see the day that I'd respect Sen Arlen Specter but his call for hearings around late Jan/early Feb is a breath of fresh air.

I wonder if Congress will get to see the files that have been started on them ???? What are the odds in Vegas on that ???
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:30 PM
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1. Apparently, FISA turned down a request for *co to spy domestically in 02
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:30 PM
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2. K&R
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:40 PM
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4. Please correct me if I am wrong
Didn't Ashcroft turn down a FISA request to further investigate Moussaui's(sorry for spelling)computer, the supposed 20th hijacker. didn't one of the FBI units that had a suspiscion about his flying lessons want to further investigate in late August 2001, PRIOR to Sept 11?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:27 PM
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11. I think so. There were no bare breasts on his screensaver so
Asscroft figured it was "clean".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:25 PM
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17. I love your Rudolph pic!
So cute. I still don't trust Specter but if we can look at evidence and all that with his help than so be it. I'm willing to hold my nose.
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:39 PM
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3. Is * wanting domestic spying to cover up damaging evidence about 9/11
or protecting OBL and "other" players?

NoFederales
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:27 PM
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18. And with the history
of his family and the BinLadin's and Saudi's it makes one wonder. Maybe all of this will help us uncover the truth about 9/11. I don't buy the 9/11 Comission report. Just like the Warren Commission. Pure bs.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:44 PM
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5. Well...I'm bettin' the 72 hr rule....
...only came into existence besause of some neo-neocon's whine that they would be hamstrung by the warrant rule if they found the need to wiretap on a Friday afternoon...."How can we find a judge on a weekend?" "Well, OK then but you HAVE to find one within 72 hrs." Meaning Monday afternoon AT THE LATEST-ie:most immediately riki tik.Meaning the judiciary should be consulted ASAP.Meaning this was never to continue without a warrant under ANY condition.And that is the exact thing Bush subverted-timely judicial review....and in fact his continual renewals meant ultimately NO JUDICIAL REVIEW of any kind-John McCain sucks up to Bush? He may have to by now.Lieberman sounds like a Republican-Why???The rules exist for a reason just as subverting the rules has a reason-and that reason is that the revelation of who was targeted would be devastating....just my take....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:58 PM
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6. Maybe they had things to cover up... please read my post at
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:19 PM
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10. Yes,
scanned it fast and bookmarked,my feeling is a complete disclosure of those tapped will have some interesting Republicans on it-and that may be the game....
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:36 PM
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12. I heard a judge today that was in the FISA rotation
on FAUX news of all places. He said this law was structured so that who ever was assigned as being the designated go to FISA judge would be available 24 hours for the "week" of their assignment to that post. He said there were many times that he was called at 3 AM to approve a warrant. He also said that the law was structured so that they could "approve and sign" a warrant of this type OVER THE PHONE. I got the impression that the paperwork was the 72 hour formality not the warrant itself.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 03:59 PM
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7. Plausible. They were spiked in 1996, and stayed spiked.
WAMY's a big deal. And I'm unaware of the bin Ladens' involved in the spiked probe being related to any over terrorist acts in the US or the West. If Palast is right and they were included in probes after 9/11, it's plausible that the evidence involving them had been overlooked or disposed of (before or after). But the claims are scant in that regard, and the lack of a probe can't be construed to imply the positive presence of inculpatory evidence.

WAMY's no worse than some other Muslim organizations and charities; some have been shut down, others haven't been. No closures were met with gratitude or sympathy by most people. If you want Muslim advocacy group support during elections, and good terms with the Sa'udis, you leave WAMY and other organizations alone.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:06 PM
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9. All the better for OSP and PNACers 'in place' eom
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 04:03 PM
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8. Odd Choice of Words...."Spiked"...
it implys that investigations were driven up a notch...but, the article clearly states the opposite.
FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11.

US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:48 AM
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13. "...their hands were tied."
John O'Neil was the FBI agent who was following the Saudi/OBL money trail in Yemen (re the first WTC bombing and the Cole bombing). His investigation was squelched, and he was forced out of the FBI in summer '01, went to work in charge of security at the WTC and died there on 9/11.

Colleen Rowley was the FBI agent who sent FISA requests to FBI headquarters in DC (from Minn.), in summer '01, to get into Zacharias Moussoui's computer, and was turned down. Very unusual. Most FISA requests are okayed. She wrote blistering letters to FBI bosses about it. He had been taking flying lessons, but only wanted to learn to fly, not to land, aircraft. He is considered the 20th hijacker (he denies it--but admits being involved in planning of other such plots).

So that's two FBI agents' hands tied, and investigations interfered with or stopped. Either one might have prevented 9/11.

Interesting side note: Nicholas Berg's father said that his son (who was beheaded in Iraq in May '04, on tape, after being held in custody in Iraq by the FBI or other US agents for about ten days) had been previously questioned by the FBI just after 9/11, when the FBI finally got into Zacharias Moussaoui's computer. What they found there was Nicholas Berg's email address and account password. And apparently (according to the father) the FBI believed Nicholas' story that he just happened to meet Moussaoui on a bus going to a college class one day, and let him use his computer. Nicholas' beheading was a cause celebre to the Freeperworld, who used it to counter the impact of the Abu Ghraib torture photos which had just come out--as if to say, these horrible Arabs deserve to be tortured.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:37 PM
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20. Very interesting
I always had this feeling that Berg died to keep secrets. Because if you're dead you can't talk right? I remember Berg's father was at the anti-Bush protest's and he was angry and I remember he got arrested.
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RedOnce Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:28 AM
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14. "Spiked" as in Volleyball would mean to drive the ball downward.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:35 PM
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19. And remember how
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 08:39 PM by FreedomAngel82
quickly the BinLadin family were flown out. If you haven't go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the film: "Exposed: the Carlyle Group" it shows how on 9/11 Poppy Bush was meeting with one of BinLadin's brothers for "business."
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:40 PM
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15. Kick. n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:07 PM
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16. Kick & Act - eom
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