How about IMPEACHMENT for STEALING an Election: 11/04/04 11:07PM

Well, let’s get in the “way back machine” and take a trip down memory lane. Why do many of us say Bush is not legitimate? Here’s the beginning of that process…11/04/04—“To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe…” And then the great article by Alastair Thompson and Jonathan Simon in “Scoop” Independent Media…and then all the rest of the DU work on election FRAUD.

No more years! Restoration of our democracy now!!!

TruthIsAll Thu Nov-04-04 11:07 PM
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To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe...




1- That the exit polls were WRONG...

2- That Zogby's 5pm Election Day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were WRONG. He was exactly RIGHT in his 2000 final poll.

3- That Harris last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. He was exactly RIGHT in his 2000 final poll.

4- The Incumbent Rule I (that undecideds break for the challenger)was WRONG.

5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling)

6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)

7- That Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before the election; 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disenfranchised in 2000.

8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT where there WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was NO PAPER TRAIL.

9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for Kerry.

10- That Bush BEAT 99-1 mathematical odds in winning the election.

11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the support of SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.

12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.

13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered with in this election

and there’s more!!!

and then there’s Alastair Thompson and Jonathan Simon

we'd be seriously into infinite numbers.

and then if we added everything before the presidency...

Not an honest bone in his wrinkled, sagging body.

Bush didn't admit to stealing the election.

He did admit to spying.

At this point, I'll take an impeachment for spying because, with Bush's confession, it's a much easier case to make.

with FL2000 and then 2004. They got power by breaking every rule in the book, rules people hadn't thought of breaking, and then they thought they were touched by God or whomever to do the work of the righteous...ly insane.

The spying thing has legs. It's not enough, I suspect. This is the ultumate :nuke: . Whe this story gets covered, it's a sign that "management" has, in unison, pulled the plug.

Any safe harbor in a storm.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

Peace.

Namaste! and Happy Festivus...:hi:

internets...

Seriously -- talk of Wilkes/Cunningham money going from Homeland Defense contracts directly into the Repub Political Machine lead to allegations that Iran-Contra was NOT actually funding the contras, but that that money was funneled into the repub Political Machine ...

All that "Ronnie Raygun #1" could well have been fake support bought and paid for...

So maybe the elections in '80, '84, and '88 were all just as crooked as '00 and '04. We KNOW the press is owned big time, and that even if the dems (Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis) KNEW the game was rigged, like Kerry, what would be the point in speaking out?

The point being elections are rigged, and have been rigged. Getting past that would be tough.

This time especially we had the net to allow the 1000 points of light of real democracy to communicate with each other ... a fat lot its done to help the populace tune in, but I think if not for the work done to "push-back" these nuts, we'd really be in the "Red-house" right now ... all that "man-date" stuff _could_ well have stuck if not for our push-back and by now Soc Sec would be a done deal, schaivo would still be alive (and probably secretary of Christian Health and Services!), "Radical Democrats" would all be locked up in federal Mental Health Centers for their psychological damage, "Liberal" would refer to the Far-left politicians like Arnold (from the right to a one _republican_ party system) and Katrina would have been covered as "God sends cleansing waters through New Orleans" with the new fancy Condos ALREADY rising from the ashes of the former "black problem"!!

Autorank, keep up the push-back -- we may never get these CREEPS on the election theft, but as we can see they aren't infallible -- eventually they'll get their Karma. There's even a chance (because of these internets) that their HISTORY of lies might eventually come out and one day parents might scare their children with stories of the LYING THIEVING TRAITORS and just a single word would have youngins scrambling for the safety of their blankies: REPUBLICANS

LOL!

All the best! {B^>

You delivered one of my all-time favorite DU lines on a TIA thread: "Speaking as one of the few people around here who really understands TIA's math..." (or something very close). No doubt true, and a wonderful flourish as well.

"Push back" is the name of the game. When your about to be crushed on a regular basis, you need to make as many cogent points, regardless of the seeming futility. Well if Bush gets impeached, that means we'll have Cheney? --That's a high class problem isn't it! We'll never take back Congress because they own the machines. --Then we make enough noise to make sure they can't get away with it in broad day light...the whole business community is watching the Diebold meltdown. How many corporate boards will take kindly to a new division for voting systems, especially one that is controversial.

I appreciate your words and support. Have a great one!!!

customers of democracy or customers of the producers ...

maybe that's the only real power the people have left? People hate getting hosed by snake oil salesmen.

Even rich people are also customers ... if people thought the general respect of all customers by producers' corporations could be radically increased with a little fettering, they might think the line being fed to them about "unfettered corporatism" is the BS it smells like.

Fetters, shackles or leg irons are a kind of physical restraint used on the feet or ankles. The term "fetter" shares a root with the word "foot".

In humans, typically only prisoners or bondage fetishists will wear shackles. A shackled animal is typically either a dangerous animal or one prone to escape.

Metaphorically, a fetter may be anything that restricts or restrains in any way, hence the word "unfettered".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetter

I can't help but see the parallel that these businesses are supposed to be the workhorses of the people ... and as a horse, Enron is only one of many examples of a bad animal -- a dangerous animal or one prone to escape... It dun did get outta its pen and then some... Autorank, if you let your 800 lb sow get loose and break up my propertay, I reckon looking the other way would make me quite a fool...

{B^>
p.s. good on ya for remembering that TIA post -- I still can't believe that drama ended here up on channel DU!! :^) LOL

beginning by all means. and by all means, impeachment over the stealing of elections 2000!

If a truth serum could be given to Mary Matalin she might spit out the truth. As the reports were coming in to CNN the night of election 2000 and GORE was declared the winner, Mary Matalin's face illuminated america with the words, "something is wrong here...this will change, just keep watching. you will see it change." She was in touch with the cheneys and the bushes throughout. she probably knew what bastardly deeds the bushes perpetrated to steal the election, long before GORE was dethroned by Bush ungodly actions.

The evil is so pervasive it is stunning and I don't even believe in the concept of "evil."

A cabal of Jacobins, nihilists, profiteers...

n/t

in OTHER countries. Politicians and Businessmen only control elections in order to make millions of dollars in OTHER countries (name almost any other country and ask if they might rig an election and everyone will nod). But...with TRILLIONS of dollars and the worlds most powerful military and highest status position at stake, SUDDENLY everyone is squeeky clean and it would never be rigged or tampered with.

Moreover, Americans are sure that not only are we the most politcally moral of countries...we are also the smartest of peoples so we'd certainly never miss something as big as a rigged national election. After all, our people know more about politics, history, and geography than any other people...so we'd obviously catch such an attempt and squash it quickly.

So we're safe here...any thoughts to the contrary are simply kooky conspiracy. So I've been told.

What else do you have. I'm compiling a list. And I agree with you. This needs to be brought out in open discussion to prevent it from ever happening again.

Here's the "mack daddy" of summaries, IMHO, from Scoop:

AMERICAN COUP II - 1999-2005
http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/usacoup.html

Plus

www.truthisall.net

Plus this guy

The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won In 2004?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00238.htm

Wake Up America! What Went Wrong In Ohio – A Summary
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00237.htm


DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN?
DEMOCRAT HACKETT LOSES A SQUEAKER IN
OHIO’S 2nd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT:
THE NEW VOTING RIGHTS STRUGGLE 2004-2005
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm


The National Summit to Save Our Elections Convenes in Portland, Oregon
Day One
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00003.htm


The National Summit to Save Our Elections Continues in Portland, Oregon
Day Two
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0510/S00082.htm

Election Errors Threaten Future Voting Rights in New Mexico
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00067.htm



Keep kicking ass in the great state!

And I hope to use them in future letters to the editors.

we have a bunch of Dem leaders that won't do that.

Soon the word will go out and this will be the final straw...maybe.

Meantime we'll keep the torch burning.

One day this guy may show up and say...

"did george bush steal america's 2004 election?" is sitting right here next to me. it is just a listing, including the conyers report, of all the shenanigans associated with this "election". just a sentence or 2 for each incident that they had knowledge of. it is the size of a good sized city's phone book.
check it out here is you are still not educated about the truth.
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1318

i am heartened that it is john conyers that is behind this push. i have no doubt that it will come out in the process.
:kick: for the freakin' truth. wake up sheeple.

:thumbsup:

Bush and his political capital... keepin us safe.... terra, terra, terra. Here's a flashback to the 2004 election/GOP terra scam.

June 15, 2004
Man allegedly in al-Qaida plot
to bomb Ohio shopping mall

Suspect got terror training in Africa before
returning to carry out attack, indictment says

WASHINGTON - A Columbus, Ohio, man has been charged with participating in an al-Qaida plot to blow up a shopping mall in Ohio, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced Monday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5209103/


Cheney suggests nuclear threats
CARROLL, Ohio
October 20, 2004

Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday raised the possibility of terrorists bombing US cities with nuclear weapons and questioned whether Senator John F. Kerry could combat such an ''ultimate threat . . . you've got to get your mind around."

''The biggest threat we face now as a nation is the possibility of terrorists ending up in the middle of one of our cities with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us -- biological agents or a nuclear weapon or a chemical weapon of some kind to be able to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans," Cheney said.

''That's the ultimate threat. For us to have a strategy that's capable of defeating that threat, you've got to get your mind around that concept," he said.
...

In Des Moines, on Sept. 7, Cheney told supporters: ''It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again, that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/20/cheney_suggests_possible_nuclear_biological_risks/

:kick: add election theft to a very long list of crimes

...the list gets longer, as does the boy king's nose.

The "I" word, impeachment, had to come before wide spread utterance of the "F" word, fraud, which precedes the "SE" words--STOLEN ELECTION.

:yourock:

:kick: and recommend.

The 04 elections were crtitical to the GOP. They wanted to severely impact the Supreme Court, and they have. It is a legacy our entire generation will live with. Kerry dropped the ball by conceding so early. Frankly, I'm not sure we can have any real trust in the current voting reliability.

...optimistic. There is a readiness out there to believe the worst about this crew. Remember that they were carried through 911 by the press and by the public fears which generated "the benefit of the doubt." Then they had their fun in 2002. I don't know how a single rational person can believe that Cleland and Barnes experienced over 12% positive-negative shift in the past couple of day of the campaign...or could it have been that unauthorized Diebold patch administered to all the machines down there. We've got a real Democratic turn coat in Cathy Cox, Sup. of Elections, who is a DEM. She is on Diebold sales literature, identified as a Democrat as is the Supervisor of Elections for the very liberal Montgomery County suburb of DC. 2004, Ohio 2nd 2005, special election OH with issues changing from 60% - 25% yes to about the same spread voting no 60% six or seven days after the most prestigious poll in the country is conducted.

We need to speak the unspeakable and get the public to think the unthinkable.

As Starskey says, "Leds dooid!"

On the other hand the wiretaps case is trivial to prove and it has real teeth (5 years and 10K fine per count x 1000's of phone calls + conspiracy + obstruction) and he confessed on national TV. This all basically adds up to 15,000 years in jail with time off for good behavior. (Did you ever see "The Firm"?)

We got him and there is no wiggle room except for letting him intimidate us into not doing anything.


Doug D.

There are just so many reasons he needs to be impeached.

No talking while debarking aircraft!
Doesn't he know nobody cares what the
fuck he says anymore?

There's a rule about that some where.

Wearing a wire while debating...kinkay...he just likes to be on top of things.
It was a real alpha moment for him. Instead of looking like a corpse, the
wire allowed him to rise to the level of tackling dummy. He was all that !

I can't even watch him on television, even if it's ambient noise somewhere I'm
passing through. I just look up and think, :wtf: are we doing with this total
idiot running the government. That's how I felt when I first read about then
heard the odious Jerry Kilgore, the R candidate for VA governor (he got
his ass kicked real good here, btw). A little stupid, a little metro sexual in
a country sort of way, and a lot of right wing baloney and caving in for any
one who would dump on our great state.

No I shall retire to my coffin;) Sunlight approaches:evilgrin: