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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 08:26 AM
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"Give me liberty or give me death!"
This should be the rallying cry for the debate on illegal wiretapping. Their side: "you won't be needing your civil liberties when you're dead from a terrorist attack". Our side "Give me liberty or give me death".

One of the most basic, fundamental principles this country was built on is the simple idea of freedom. Don't the republicans remember how this country was founded? One of our earliest concepts - that has survived 200 plus years: freedom has serious, serious value. As someone here put it, more eloquently than this: wrap up the flag and put it away. America is over without freedom.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 08:35 AM
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1. HAHA
You wont be needing your civil liberties when youre dead from a terrorist attack .... :rofl:

OK correct me
2157 dead American soldiers...
almost half a trillion spend..
God knows how many injured wounded traumatised or mentally affected vet.
Thousands and thousands of dead women and children...
From a respected great nation to a pariah nation..

Good GOD all this for a bunch of guys called Al queda
Now you have to lose your civil liberties :rofl:

Come on this got to be the greates con game in the world :rofl:

THE POWER OF NIGHTMARE

WAKE UP WAKE UP it is a dream
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:16 AM
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2. I think we could find a better
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 09:16 AM by waiting for hope
rallying cry ... no offense to Patrick Henry but the "Liberty or Death" speech was given as a cry to war...

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not ourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.

This would be a perfect argument for the Repugs and their "War on Terra".......perhaps some response to the McCarthy era would be more appropriate.
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