Will Dover, PA judge be subject of "christian" persecution

Yesterday, Judge John Jones III, a republican appointed by the fake cowboy who also happens to be a fake christian in the white house, ruled that intelligent design was nothing more than an attempt by christians to force their religion on the general public and they couldn't get away with it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/21/education/21evolution.html?th&emc=th

Will he now be the subject of "Christian" attacks claiming he was "activist" and not a true "constructionist?" Will david limbaugh write another book whining about how "christians" are being persecuted because they are not allowed to force their beliefs on the American public, kinda like we try to prevent rapists from forcing themselves on young women? Yes the good "christians" of our country would savage this man for doing his job. Onward christian soldiers, you have another target - just what Jesus wanted you to have right?

What a great decision.

Fundies across the nation have their heads exploding over that thought

slap down by the judge and the kicker was the material evidence that was introduced showing that the ID bible "Of Pandas and People" was originally written as a creationist defense but that "creation" was changed to "intelligent design" by the time the book was published. Even Behe pretty much admitted that ID is not significantly different from special creation on the stand.

No school district will touch ID after this ruling. They can't afford the inevitable lawsuit.

And we don't have "Onward Christian Soldiers" or "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" in our hymnbook.

But we might have spooks sitting in the back row on Sundays. Hope they enjoy the Equal Exchange coffee.

My new hero! The Honorable Judge John E. Jones III:

Feel free to send roses to his office!

his receptionist though. You know he/she's getting dozens of angry phone calls. Maybe we should send the roses to him/her instead.

Even at "that other site" there were more freepers supporting the ruling than those against it.

There will always be a small group of hardcore fanatic pseudo-christians yelling about this shit, but they are becoming increasingly irrelevent with all their insane ranting.

"Don't look to God for help, because you appointed a judge who kicked Him out of Biology classes."

Can humans kick God out of any place (S)He chooses to be in? Can God be kicked out of school? I don't think so.

It's the same when christians attack gays-christians decide that God doesn't love one group of people because they don't approve of their sex life? God is bigger than that.

...start their own political party and drop their blind support of the Republicans.

There has been no Defense of Mariage Act...
Abortion is still legal...
Chimp and Laura say Happy Holidays..
Stem cell research is being done...
Creationism is getting laughed out of science classes....

It's because Republicans only "support" these fundy issues to get their votes, and then they get forgotten when the elections are over!

C'mon, Jeesus freaks!!!! Start your own political party. PLEASE!!!!!! You're not going to get anything out of the GOP.

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He friggin' nuked the ID crowd with that verdict. The Pat Robertsons and such can attack him, sure, but he holds all the aces in the PR retort/sound bite game- he has all the proof in the world that these Dover Christian activists and their 'experts' and lawyers were a conspiracy, know no science, knowingly violate the laws and court orders, and knowingly perjured themselves on the stand in his courtroom in the most ridiculous and deliberate ways.

Looking at the political evolution of the Creationist game- it's very well outlined in the Dover verdict, along with the court verdicts that finished off each political strategy- they really only have one place left to go.

It shows the game on their side starting off as purely a religious/occultic assertion politics in the Scopes Monkey Trial and, as the court verdicts pile up, these assertions diminishing to the point of pretending they're not even talking about supernaturalism. The Dover verdict really annihilates that last false flag- "intelligent design"- effort to smuggle supernaturalism into the teaching of biology. But as their supernaturalist assertion diminishes, the Creationists have put increasing emphasis on their other assertion, the supposed refuting of evolutionary biology on its own terms. In the time of the Scopes trial they merely scoffed at it all as 'unbelievable'. Now that prong of the game, attacking evolutionary theory and its evidence, is all that remains.

This has been sort of realized by the American biology community recently. Mark Kirschner, a pretty famous biologist at Harvard University, put the call out a few weeks or months ago that American biologists need do some serious work now to deal with this last phase of the problem. Basically, the Creationist set is going to go through all of modern biology's results and thinking now and will try identify the areas in which evolutionary biologists have the weakest evidence or explanations to offer the public. They'll try all of them out and figure out where biologists can least counter them. And then they'll try to get a But Evolution Is Fatally Flawed/Wrong theory introduced into public schools. Kirschner is trying to rally the scientists to counter the effort properly, for the backwater areas of research to clean up their lazy act and thinking so that all areas of biological research have clean and simple defenses.

As I see it, the Creationists will at first find a couple of obscure problems and embarrassments to exploit, but they'll get pushed back on and abandon all of them. Predictably, the great last ditch effort and big problem/issue that the Creationist game will end up at in a couple of years is the material origin of biological life on Earth itself. That is, however, the one major problem in biology that the theory of evolution approaches very closely but doesn't- inherently can't- circumference intellectually.

So the Evolution Wars are close to over, but there's one last phase left imho.